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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 16:59:51 GMT
Have not read the thread but I have sometimes wondered if rail strikes or rail company policies which lead to strikes are a way to massage property prices in certain areas.
People generally move out of London to get a bigger flat or house. But they need good rail links to get to work which is generally in London. There are vast numbers of new build flats being constructed in much more central areas which would not rely on the suburban overground commuter lines. Someone needs to buy or rent these flats. Maybe if you could deliberately degrade suburban commuter rail services the result would be people buying/renting the more central new build units because they are fed up with the reliability problems.
I know there is a driver opening the doors issue here as well.
Probably too much of a conspiracy theory !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 17:11:46 GMT
I read it as 'bog off you have no real interest in the matter given Aslef only represent 12 Southern rail drivers and ASLEF represent the vast bulk of drivers at 1,000' Hes just miffed because he's had his nose pushed out of something that doesn't really concern him. You have much to learn about Union/Company/Government negotiations and the media representation of such. RMT were being criticised for not taking part in the planned talks last night, they new that technically they could not insist on attending but told ACAS/Southern Rail/Gov that they would be there and wishing to get a resolution. This morning RMT were effectively told to 'go away you don't matter' by Southern - not (in my opinion) the best way to resolve a long standing dispute. I have nothing to learn at all, I just hold a different opinion to you, your interpretation of what the BBC has reported is pretty representative I would say and fundamentally we are not disagreeing on how the BBC have reported it. The difference is however is that I think Southern are correct in that the RMT don't matter. You do. Of course what neither of us know is all the whys and wherefores to why Southern Rail think that and are actually prepared to say it in the full glare of publicity. I suspect we don't know the full 'back story'.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 17:14:24 GMT
Probably too much of a conspiracy theory ! Yes I think it is. It looks like nothing more than a good old 'management v union' shoot out over a principle of do managers have the right to manage a company or should it be run by the unions?
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Post by bodger on Dec 14, 2016 17:17:41 GMT
The Mayor of London states and I'm paraphrasing; 'Unions get around the table and sort this out' What happens, RMT barred from meeting at ACAS. I read it as 'bog off you have no real interest in the matter given Aslef RMT only represent 12 Southern rail drivers and ASLEF represent the vast bulk of drivers at 1,000'Hes just miffed because he's had his nose pushed out of something that doesn't really concern him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 17:18:44 GMT
I read it as 'bog off you have no real interest in the matter given Aslef RMT only represent 12 Southern rail drivers and ASLEF represent the vast bulk of drivers at 1,000'Hes just miffed because he's had his nose pushed out of something that doesn't really concern him. Well spotted . Now corrected.
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 14, 2016 17:33:01 GMT
Me likey. From today's Daily Mail:
"I wonder if Theresa May is going to ring all the Banking bosses and city fat cats and tell them to return the money they swindled in 2008. I wonder if she's going to ring Google, Amazon and others and tell them to pay their taxes. I wonder if she's going to ring all the British people who have accounts in tax havens to pay up too? No? Thought not!! There's one sector of society that's leading us to ruin and it isn't the unions."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 17:33:21 GMT
.... The difference is however is that I think Southern are correct in that the RMT don't matter. You do. Of course what neither of us know is all the whys and wherefores to why Southern Rail think that and are actually prepared to say it in the full glare of publicity. I suspect we don't know the full 'back story'. I'm surprised that you think the RMT don't matter in this dispute, but ok we disagree. I know a fair bit of the 'back story' but not all - my criticism is not aimed at Southern but at UKGov.PLC - I suspect we will disagree on this as well so I'll bow out of the discussion now.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 14, 2016 18:29:49 GMT
The guard is the man The man in the van Which is found at the rear of the train.
The driver up front Thinks the guard is a cunt And the guard thinks the driver's the same.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 18:38:01 GMT
The guard is the man The man in the van Which is found at the rear of the train. The driver up front Thinks the guard is a cunt And the guard thinks the driver's the same. CBA
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 17:57:50 GMT
Ah well Christmas is gone in a flash..Im not inflicting my company on son - in -law this year..Im a good mother-in-law... Im not inflicting myself on any family...I knows my place and Im gonna have fun.... Are you Gazza's mother-in-law, patty? Can't be, mine hates boats.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 18:07:06 GMT
This made me laugh earlier;
Nick Brown, chief operating officer of Southerns parent company commenting on the breakdown of talks with ASLEF
"We urge the union to think again and work with us and move forward together. Our door(s) remains open."
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 15, 2016 18:19:25 GMT
I think airlines should save money and tell the co-pilot to piss off. Will make shareholders happy to have his wages saved. The space made can be used to store more scratch cards.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 15, 2016 18:22:47 GMT
Well, I'm all in favour of the strike. Firstly because I think a train carrying several hundred people needs a minimum of two people to operate safely- particularly if things start to go wrong in some way, secondly because I support Fordist economic principles and thirdly because I'm a bolshie bastard.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 15, 2016 20:58:39 GMT
I'm against it. This 'it's all about safety' line is a load of bollocks. Similar to the doctor's 'save our NHS' crap which was a smokescreen for wanting more money. Responsibility for safety is a management function. Workers' responsibility is limited to carrying out the safety processes and procedures as defined by management.
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Post by Saltysplash on Dec 15, 2016 21:09:38 GMT
Govia Thameslink have been playing a dangerous game for years on the Southern route. Deliberately running without a full compliment of drivers, relying on the drivers they have to do overtime so they can maintain a full service all in the name of profit. Its cheaper to pay the overtime than pay full time drivers. So what happens when they have a minor dispute, The drivers refuse to do overtime and services get regularly cancelled. Customers have had to suffer this problem for years.
In this latest dispute, Govias profits are their first priority. Customer service and safety come way down the line.
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