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Post by bodger on Dec 15, 2016 14:29:35 GMT
mebbe we just all sit on our arses, watch telly, develop diabetes, die younger, and let the eastern europeans do all the work and pay taxes to support us.
............... oh, we are doing (most of) that already. sorry.
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 15, 2016 15:23:30 GMT
Women who drive to Waitrose in Range Rovers.
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 15, 2016 15:26:01 GMT
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Post by kris on Dec 15, 2016 16:49:38 GMT
The gubbinment policy makers I would guess. Maybe we need a universal income. Pay everyone £20k a year regardless of their situation. Raise taxes for higher earners and nationalise all essential services. ? this would probably sort it out and more countries have been looking into universal incomes. The one thing that will stop it is people thinking some people are getting something for nothing that they are not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 19:32:47 GMT
Isn't Canada going ahead with Universal Income?
It's the future I suspect.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 19:34:07 GMT
The language of Shakespeare. Rog Because Shakespeare would never have used vulgar or sexual references? Irony Rog
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 15, 2016 20:51:15 GMT
Isn't Canada going ahead with Universal Income? It's the future I suspect. Rog Ontario is going ahead with a trial of this. It's probably important to note that in this trial the universal income replaces all other government assistance. If this were to happen in Britain it would end the well established practice of only assisting the 'favoured groups' i.e. families with children, the elderly and the disabled. Can't see that happening somehow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 21:03:59 GMT
I suspect in the future it may have to.
Work/employment is, and will continue to evolve.
Machines are, and will continue to be used where the labour force would have been used historically.
My father had a job for life (miner).
That rarely happens anymore. People move around in employment.
Maybe Universal Income will be the future.
Rog
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 15, 2016 21:17:04 GMT
It is possible. I think it would be really difficult for a country like Britain though, which already has some of the highest welfare spending in the world.
I can imagine that if it came in in Britain the favoured groups and their political representatives would cry foul to such an extent that it couldn't happen. The scheme could perhaps be that the universal payment is in addition to existing benefits. The cost would be huge though, taxes would have to be so high that working in Britain would no longer be attractive. That's unless the government of the day decides to place more debt on the shoulders of those at school, in play groups or haven't even been born yet.
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Post by JohnV on Dec 15, 2016 21:58:51 GMT
I suspect it might be the future if automation continues to develop at the ever increasing rate that it has over the last decades.
The question might be "can it happen without revolution"
And that leads to the question "If there is revolution will it knock society back into an earlier stage of development?"
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 15, 2016 22:15:12 GMT
I suspect it might be the future if automation continues to develop at the ever increasing rate that it has over the last decades. The question might be "can it happen without revolution" And that leads to the question "If there is revolution will it knock society back into an earlier stage of development?" Re. your second question: I've thought for some time that the civilisation we have today, which took thousands of years to develop, is akin to an eggshell. A light tap leads to a small crack, it stays intact. A big impact, causing a big crack, leads to destruction.
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Post by bodger on Dec 15, 2016 22:51:49 GMT
hard to argue with that concept.
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Post by peterboat on Dec 16, 2016 9:28:20 GMT
The gubbinment policy makers I would guess. Maybe we need a universal income. Pay everyone £20k a year regardless of their situation. Raise taxes for higher earners and nationalise all essential services. ? Look how well that worked last time they ere always on strike total failure, and all the rich scarpered to warmer climes until the whole thing fell to pieces
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Post by bodger on Dec 16, 2016 12:57:53 GMT
what the f***? pardon?
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Post by jam on Dec 18, 2016 0:34:30 GMT
There are savings to be made if any government has the balls.
Free prescriptions for the over 60's - I think this is ridiculous for anyone in full time work.
Free bus travel for over 60's - As above
Winter fuel allowance - As above
All of the above should only be available to people retired and on state pension or otherwise means tested.
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