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Dec 18, 2016 16:03:45 GMT
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Post by kris on Dec 18, 2016 16:03:45 GMT
all very fine, but keeping a log of your movements when you are moving around trying to keep outwith the minimum limits for genuine CCing seems to be a no-brainer. Why wouldn't you, both as evidence and as a personal record for your own satisfaction? On the other hand, if you infact are travelling huge distances by several orders of magnitude greater than the requirements and their checking system is so poor you don't get spotted. Why the hell should you have to make up for their inadequacies ? exactly John, there are no other legal requirements on the boater otherthan the insurance and safety ones.
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Dec 18, 2016 16:34:35 GMT
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Post by thebfg on Dec 18, 2016 16:34:35 GMT
They are trying it on, if he stands up for himself with a correctly worded legal letter ( consult Nigel or Tony ) they will back down. Once they know they can't bully you they never bother you again. this is what I've found with them, I've dealt with the same enforcement officer that my neighbour is. In the end I told h to put his threats in writing, text or email and stop ringing me up and harassing me. My neighbour doesn't want to go down the legal route. I think that you've hit a nail there. Would it be a good idea to NOT give crt a phone number but force them to put it in writing or an email. I suspect most enforcement officers would think twice.
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Post by kris on Dec 18, 2016 16:38:15 GMT
It's the climate of fear that crt create that I dislike, being constantly under threat of losing your liscence.
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Dec 18, 2016 17:12:11 GMT
Post by bodger on Dec 18, 2016 17:12:11 GMT
all very fine, but keeping a log of your movements when you are moving around trying to keep outwith the minimum limits for genuine CCing seems to be a no-brainer. Why wouldn't you, both as evidence and as a personal record for your own satisfaction? On the other hand, if you infact are travelling huge distances by several orders of magnitude greater than the requirements and their checking system is so poor you don't get spotted. Why the hell should you have to make up for their inadequacies ? you don't have to. notwithstanding that, it is still a no brainer to keep a log, in case it is ever needed. I'm sure everyone with a CC licence is aware that they may, at some time or another, be requested to show they are cruising as required by the T&Cs. I would rather kill the argument before it started, using valid evidence.
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Dec 18, 2016 17:33:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 17:33:01 GMT
It's the climate of fear that crt create that I dislike, being constantly under threat of losing your liscence. Climate of fear is exactly what I beleive CRT are doing - it's just bullying by another name. This link provided to better explain what I think. www.entrepreneur.com/article/254178 It's about the VW emission scandal.
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Dec 18, 2016 19:21:11 GMT
Post by tadworth on Dec 18, 2016 19:21:11 GMT
On the other hand, if you infact are travelling huge distances by several orders of magnitude greater than the requirements and their checking system is so poor you don't get spotted. Why the hell should you have to make up for their inadequacies ? you don't have to. notwithstanding that, it is still a no brainer to keep a log, in case it is ever needed. I'm sure everyone with a CC licence is aware that they may, at some time or another, be requested to show they are cruising as required by the T&Cs. I would rather kill the argument before it started, using valid evidence. Keeping a log of evidence just goes against what boating is about to me. others may feel differently.
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Dec 18, 2016 19:30:26 GMT
Post by smileypete on Dec 18, 2016 19:30:26 GMT
Do keep a detailed log (for legal defence purposes later if need be) but DO NOT provide it to CRT.
It's up to them to log overstaying, not infer it from gaps in their own records. Ask for written documentation from the relevant higher-up in CRT of where the license terms require record any keeping.
The problem with providing them with ANY records is they can then try and find ways of using it against you.
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Dec 18, 2016 19:48:57 GMT
Post by tadworth on Dec 18, 2016 19:48:57 GMT
Unfortunately the 1995 BW act was worded badly in that the boater has to "satisfy the board" ie you are guilty until proven innocent if CRT don't log you correctly.
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Dec 18, 2016 23:05:43 GMT
Post by smileypete on Dec 18, 2016 23:05:43 GMT
Unfortunately the 1995 BW act was worded badly in that the boater has to "satisfy the board" ie you are guilty until proven innocent if CRT don't log you correctly. I thought your case showed that they couldn't refuse to issue a license...
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Dec 22, 2016 14:13:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 14:13:45 GMT
Good video was laughing so much lol and had to keep coming back too watch it to laugh again lol
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Dec 22, 2016 14:35:00 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 14:35:00 GMT
Just read this thread. I've been keeping a log for 12 years. Runs to about 78 books now (A4 size is my preference). I started it as a personal reminder of our travels, with never a thought of evidence. Simpler times maybe. I took to sticking receipts, bus and train tickets etc in there because I could readily find them. I've found it occasionally useful for checking cruising times, good moorings, and just for a memory jogger nostalgically. If required it would certainly be a corroborated, contemporaneous record of our movements. Mind you it would bore the arse of most people Rog
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