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Berlin
Dec 20, 2016 21:52:34 GMT
Post by Delta9 on Dec 20, 2016 21:52:34 GMT
Sorry Delta 9, I suspect that there might be a bit of history about your and Iconocast's insults if so it might be wise to explain the history to newer members. We can then judge appropriately. Very simple, Delta9 considers me to be a "mong" because I voted to leave the eu in this year's referendum, searching the forum for "mong" should bring up his original use of the term. Just another example of what poor losers these Remoaners are really.  Well that's not completely true, you were a mong well before the referendum was announced. |
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Berlin
Dec 20, 2016 21:57:07 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 21:57:07 GMT
I was about to say 'Brexit' that explains things but apparently not.
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Berlin
Dec 20, 2016 22:13:41 GMT
Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 20, 2016 22:13:41 GMT
Are you seriously suggesting that of the million new arrivals, less than 200 have jihadist intentions? If so, consider that Britain, a country with a smaller population and less Muslims, is currently 'keeping a good eye' on around 500 people believed to be intending to carry out terrorist acts. I have no idea how many have "Jihadist intentions". If there are loads of them, what are they playing at? It's easy to kill a bunch of people if you so wish, yet it seems to be a relatively rare event. As a starter for you: British intelligence admit/ claim to have stopped 6 planned terrorist atrocities in Britain in the past 18 months. This service makes it tough for terrorists. Doubtless if the service weren't on the case the attacks would be as regular as clockwork. |
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Berlin
Dec 20, 2016 22:44:11 GMT
Post by Delta9 on Dec 20, 2016 22:44:11 GMT
Exactly. Six in eighteen months, not hundreds or thousands...
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 20, 2016 23:23:44 GMT
Exactly. Six in eighteen months, not hundreds or thousands... You're just pretending to be thick, I'm sure. These hundreds or thousands don't routinely go out and murder people, as if they were just popping to the local shop. Not that I'm an expert, but I'd imagine these things take a little planning. You're beginning to sound like an apologist for terrorists. Are you like Merkel, hoping against hope that the terrorist who drove the truck was actually a German, so you can continue to deny that allowing a million people, unchecked, whose culture is at odds with Germany, constitute a risk? |
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Berlin
Dec 21, 2016 0:36:05 GMT
Post by Delta9 on Dec 21, 2016 0:36:05 GMT
Exactly. Six in eighteen months, not hundreds or thousands... You're just pretending to be thick, I'm sure. These hundreds or thousands don't routinely go out and murder people, as if they were just popping to the local shop. Not that I'm an expert, but I'd imagine these things take a little planning. You're beginning to sound like an apologist for terrorists. Are you like Merkel, hoping against hope that the terrorist who drove the truck was actually a German, so you can continue to deny that allowing a million people, unchecked, whose culture is at odds with Germany, constitute a risk? How much planning does it take to drive a truck in to a crowd? |
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Berlin
Dec 21, 2016 8:05:01 GMT
Post by JohnV on Dec 21, 2016 8:05:01 GMT
You're just pretending to be thick, I'm sure. These hundreds or thousands don't routinely go out and murder people, as if they were just popping to the local shop. Not that I'm an expert, but I'd imagine these things take a little planning. You're beginning to sound like an apologist for terrorists. Are you like Merkel, hoping against hope that the terrorist who drove the truck was actually a German, so you can continue to deny that allowing a million people, unchecked, whose culture is at odds with Germany, constitute a risk? How much planning does it take to drive a truck in to a crowd? from the little I have read about it, it does seem that the majority of people who commit these kinds of acts (many of whom could be classed as disturbed personalities) seem to require quite a time to work themselves up to the act, preparation of videos, comment posting etc. Very rarely is it a totally "spur of the moment" attack. The exception are the "soldiers" of a movement but on the other hand you could say their upbringing and indoctrination is their build up (aka Hitlerjugend in 1945) |
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Berlin
Dec 21, 2016 8:06:00 GMT
Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 21, 2016 8:06:00 GMT
You're just pretending to be thick, I'm sure. These hundreds or thousands don't routinely go out and murder people, as if they were just popping to the local shop. Not that I'm an expert, but I'd imagine these things take a little planning. You're beginning to sound like an apologist for terrorists. Are you like Merkel, hoping against hope that the terrorist who drove the truck was actually a German, so you can continue to deny that allowing a million people, unchecked, whose culture is at odds with Germany, constitute a risk? How much planning does it take to drive a truck in to a crowd? The Polish truck driver was reportedly shot, I imagine it requires some planning to obtain a firearm, last time I was in Germany they didn't sell them in Lidl. |
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Berlin
Dec 21, 2016 8:14:03 GMT
Post by Delta9 on Dec 21, 2016 8:14:03 GMT
How much planning does it take to drive a truck in to a crowd? The Polish truck driver was reportedly shot, I imagine it requires some planning to obtain a firearm, last time I was in Germany they didn't sell them in Lidl. But you don't need a firearm to drive a truck in to a crowd. There are plenty of other ways to steal one, or rent one, or just buy an old truck for a few hundred quid. |
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Berlin
Dec 21, 2016 8:18:51 GMT
Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 21, 2016 8:18:51 GMT
The Polish truck driver was reportedly shot, I imagine it requires some planning to obtain a firearm, last time I was in Germany they didn't sell them in Lidl. But you don't need a firearm to drive a truck in to a crowd. There are plenty of other ways to steal one, or rent one, or just buy an old truck for a few hundred quid. Very difficult to steal one unless you know how to overcome the immobiliser, not possible to rent a truck of that size without an operator's licence, and end-of-life trucks don't sell for a few hundred quid. The fact that IS have claimed responsibility suggests that it was planned. |
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Berlin
Dec 21, 2016 8:21:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 8:21:46 GMT
I hate Lidl
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Berlin
Dec 21, 2016 8:24:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 8:24:31 GMT
But you don't need a firearm to drive a truck in to a crowd. There are plenty of other ways to steal one, or rent one, or just buy an old truck for a few hundred quid. Very difficult to steal one unless you know how to overcome the immobiliser, not possible to rent a truck of that size without an operator's licence, and end-of-life trucks don't sell for a few hundred quid. The fact that IS have claimed responsibility suggests that it was planned. Not necessarily. It could have been some nut without any affiliation to a particular group (I'm sure a lot of people who you would not expect to do have guns). IS will claim it if nobody else does because it is good for publicity. |
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Berlin
Dec 21, 2016 8:34:45 GMT
Post by Delta9 on Dec 21, 2016 8:34:45 GMT
But you don't need a firearm to drive a truck in to a crowd. There are plenty of other ways to steal one, or rent one, or just buy an old truck for a few hundred quid. Very difficult to steal one unless you know how to overcome the immobiliser, not possible to rent a truck of that size without an operator's licence, and end-of-life trucks don't sell for a few hundred quid. The fact that IS have claimed responsibility suggests that it was planned. You steal the keys to the truck or jump in when the driver leaves it running while making a delivery. I've never tried to rent a bigger truck, but rented a 3.5 ton luton van a few months ago with no issues. Tht is big enough to cause some damage. End of life 7.5 ton trucks regularly sell for a few hundred quid. I'm not saying that this incident wasn't planned, just that driving a truck in to a croud requires very little planning. |
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Berlin
Dec 21, 2016 11:06:06 GMT
Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 21, 2016 11:06:06 GMT
Very difficult to steal one unless you know how to overcome the immobiliser, not possible to rent a truck of that size without an operator's licence, and end-of-life trucks don't sell for a few hundred quid. The fact that IS have claimed responsibility suggests that it was planned. You steal the keys to the truck or jump in when the driver leaves it running while making a delivery. I've never tried to rent a bigger truck, but rented a 3.5 ton luton van a few months ago with no issues. Tht is big enough to cause some damage. End of life 7.5 ton trucks regularly sell for a few hundred quid. I'm not saying that this incident wasn't planned, just that driving a truck in to a croud requires very little planning. You seem to be suggesting that only a tiny number, a handful of people are prepared to carry out such acts. I'm not sure if you actually believe this, or your fixed liberal mind set prevents you from taking in all the available information. It seems that you'd prefer to believe what you want to believe, what you hope is the truth, rather than forming an opinion that's more rational. For example, I've already mentioned it, in Britain alone around 500 individuals who are believed to be potential terrorists are being closely watched. This number would be greater, the service says, if resources allowed for it. This seems a common trait amongst those who believe in so called modern social liberalism. Believe the facts that suit you and deny the rest. Bigotry, which is quite ironic really, given that those of this mind set liberally (no pun intended) used and still use the racist card against anyone who thought/ thinks differently to them. |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 21, 2016 12:27:43 GMT
The main suspect now is Tunisian, dashing it seems, Merkel's forlorn hope that the act might have been carried out by a German.
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