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Post by Andyberg on Jan 20, 2017 20:18:20 GMT
Just watched this video and read on the BBC about police officers tazering a Founder of a group aiming to improve police / race relations... So, was it the right move in view of the situation or just another Black man getting shot without warning? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-38691162
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Post by bodger on Jan 20, 2017 20:19:27 GMT
I dunno. What do you think?
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Post by Andyberg on Jan 20, 2017 20:30:51 GMT
I dunno. What do you think? Well... I fail to understand why he didn't just give his name when the officers asked, would of saved any hassle and could of resulted in a 'sorry sir' for the inconvenience. The police didn't appear to give any prior warning before firing but also the video footage is edited so what actual parts have been removed? If he hadn't of been the race group founder would it of warranted a story on the BBC? TBH....I dunno eitherπ
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Post by JohnV on Jan 20, 2017 20:49:26 GMT
^^^^^ I would go along with this ...... It certainly didn't look to warrant tazering if what was shown was everything
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 21:08:59 GMT
Difficult to judge.
At least authorised weapons were used and the incident has been referred to the IPCC. Much better than the days of the SPG in the 70s.
Gut feeling says heavy handed.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 20, 2017 21:21:13 GMT
something that deeply concerns me is the claim made that he was shot in the face, although I couldn't be certain from the video. I understood that this was strictly forbidden due to the high risk of causing serious eye injury
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 20, 2017 22:30:09 GMT
The trouble is that by its very nature, police work tends to attract thuggish and aggressive people.
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Post by smileypete on Jan 21, 2017 6:31:56 GMT
Well... I fail to understand why he didn't just give his name when the officers asked, would of saved any hassle and could of resulted in a 'sorry sir' for the inconvenience. Is there a legal requirement to give your name or answer any questions? If not then let him go or arrest/caution him if there's good reason to, not that hard surely? Police are a bit like CRT behave sometimes, instead of following the law they make it up as they go along. WPC: 'Stay calm, you've got keys in your hand' Cameraman: 'He's going into his house, that's his house there!' LMAO! WPC seems to have no clue about how to calm a situation, or not feel threatened by a 63 year old when there's a big copper standing next to her.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 21, 2017 8:23:20 GMT
It doesn't matter to me what colour the tazered chappie was - UK Police these days think they are Hawaii-5-0 stars, or some SWAT Squad, prancing about in airports with their machine guns. They have to look Macho. How the illegal immigrants laugh as they jump out of trucks in Lincolnshire and Norfolk, straight into their carrots-picking jobs (who are the employers? farmers claiming EU subsidies?), whilst the tough cops, looking like POTUS bodyguards, are studying the departures board at Stansted and thinking about their next hols.
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Post by Saltysplash on Jan 21, 2017 17:24:18 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 21, 2017 17:50:59 GMT
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Post by IainS on Jan 22, 2017 0:51:43 GMT
I watched the video in the OP, and have to say that either it is heavily edited, or my internet connection has gone real slow.
The impression I get is that the officers were set up : someone must have pointed out the subject as the man wanted on warrant, there was someone handy to video the incident and give the story to the local press, the subject refused to give his details, and he had received compensation for a similar wrongful (due to mistaken identity) arrest in the past.
He doesn't appear to have been tazered in the face: the still shot before the video plays, as well as the video itself, show aim and strike on the main body mass.
Got to say it would have been simpler in Scotland. Doubt of identity, so requirement under Sec 13 of the Criminal Procedure(Scotland) Act 1995, if name and address refused, arrest for that. (Haven't looked into similar legislation, if any, in England)
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Post by smileypete on Jan 22, 2017 10:32:19 GMT
I think much of the support is lost when they're too heavy handed at very minor incidents like the one above. Would you rather be a scaffolder, farmer, deep sea fisherman, miner, truck driver? In terms of lives lost at work, it looks like of the safer jobs, plus there's good job security, pension, and benefits. www.policememorial.org.uk/index.php?page=roll-2016www.policememorial.org.uk/index.php?page=roll-2015www.policememorial.org.uk/index.php?page=roll-2014I think a few police even like the adrenaline rush factor of city policing instead of a quiet beat somewhere, but that can lead to poor decisions. I do think the vast majority of police do a great job in sometimes in very difficult circumstances, but there are a few 'bad apples'.
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Post by smileypete on Jan 22, 2017 10:42:09 GMT
I watched the video in the OP, and have to say that either it is heavily edited, or my internet connection has gone real slow. The impression I get is that the officers were set up : someone must have pointed out the subject as the man wanted on warrant, there was someone handy to video the incident and give the story to the local press, the subject refused to give his details, and he had received compensation for a similar wrongful (due to mistaken identity) arrest in the past. He doesn't appear to have been tazered in the face: the still shot before the video plays, as well as the video itself, show aim and strike on the main body mass. You do sound like you could teach the apologists and conspiracy theorists over at CWDF a thing or two. www.bristolpost.co.uk/bristol-tasered-man-judah-adunbi-the-police-attack-was-racist-and-i-was-terrified/story-30073820-detail/story.html'Mr Adunbi says he was rushed to the Bristol Royal Infirmary by ambulance with the Taser still dangling from his face.
He added: "They then removed most of the loose wires. They lift me back on my feet. They tried to pull the one from my face off and realised they couldn't."
But after being discharged later that morning he spent the next ten hours at Patchway police station. He claims he left just before midnight and was forced to make his own way home.
Mr Adunbi was charged with assaulting a constable in the execution of their duty and a public order offence, but the charges have now been dropped.'
^^^^ Was that Dumb or Dumber filing the charges I wonder??? Trying to cover up by trumping up charges on the poor guy, not only corrupt but too stoopid to realise the implications of being filmed by a member of the public, as the body cameras aren't much deterrent evidently.
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Post by Saltysplash on Jan 22, 2017 12:07:41 GMT
I think much of the support is lost when they're too heavy handed at very minor incidents like the one above. Would you rather be a scaffolder, farmer, deep sea fisherman, miner, truck driver? In terms of lives lost at work, it looks like of the safer jobs, plus there's good job security, pension, and benefits. www.policememorial.org.uk/index.php?page=roll-2016www.policememorial.org.uk/index.php?page=roll-2015www.policememorial.org.uk/index.php?page=roll-2014I think a few police even like the adrenaline rush factor of city policing instead of a quiet beat somewhere, but that can lead to poor decisions. I do think the vast majority of police do a great job in sometimes in very difficult circumstances, but there are a few 'bad apples'. To be killed in an accident is the risk we all run everyday whatever our profession. To be killed, assaulted and injured by some scaghead nicking a couple of quid for the next fix, or by the slag wife who calls police because her husband is knocking her around but then pulls a knife and stabs an officer in the back when he tries to arrest her slag husband is another matter. Pension, job security and benefits went a long time ago. My brother in law was a senior traffic accident investigator up till last year. Pension changes for him meant his service was increased to 42 years instead of 30 and for a reduced pension at the end. So, After being a highly, expensivly trained forensic investigator, he resigned and became an investigator for a private company. All that money spent on training him thrown down the drain and his expert knowledge is now used for the defence instead of the prosecution. A chap I worked with resigned last week with 20 years service to become a revenue inspector with south west trains because he said there is no point carrying on for another 20 years for a shit pension, shit shifts with no home life, and shit senior officers who's only concern is their next rank. The Job is fucked and I pity those who now decide to do it with poor training and no back up, but thank them non the less
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