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Post by smileypete on Jan 22, 2017 12:25:00 GMT
I think much of the support is lost when they're too heavy handed at very minor incidents like the one above. Would you rather be a scaffolder, farmer, deep sea fisherman, miner, truck driver? In terms of lives lost at work, it looks like of the safer jobs, plus there's good job security, pension, and benefits. www.policememorial.org.uk/index.php?page=roll-2016www.policememorial.org.uk/index.php?page=roll-2015www.policememorial.org.uk/index.php?page=roll-2014I think a few police even like the adrenaline rush factor of city policing instead of a quiet beat somewhere, but that can lead to poor decisions. I do think the vast majority of police do a great job in sometimes in very difficult circumstances, but there are a few 'bad apples'. To be killed in an accident is the risk we all run everyday whatever our profession. To be killed, assaulted and injured by some scaghead nicking a couple of quid for the next fix, or by the slag wife who calls police because her husband is knocking her around but then pulls a knife and stabs an officer in the back when he tries to arrest her slag husband is another matter. Pension, job security and benefits went a long time ago. My brother in law was a senior traffic accident investigator up till last year. Pension changes for him meant his service was increased to 42 years instead of 30 and for a reduced pension at the end. So, After being a highly, expensivly trained forensic investigator, he resigned and became an investigator for a private company. All that money spent on training him thrown down the drain and his expert knowledge is now used for the defence instead of the prosecution. A chap I worked with resigned last week with 20 years service to become a revenue inspector with south west trains because he said there is no point carrying on for another 20 years for a shit pension, shit shifts with no home life, and shit senior officers who's only concern is their next rank. The Job is fucked and I pity those who now decide to do it with poor training and no back up, but thank them non the less Well I am sorry to hear that, like many public service jobs they don't get the pay they deserve. Probably a lot of money nowadays is being spent on anti terrorism thanks the the loony Blair government.
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Post by smileypete on Jan 22, 2017 12:31:56 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 22, 2017 13:00:39 GMT
"It heard that Mr J and his friend had been going between two clubs on the street and trying to get in after they had been refused entry to both. It was then that the security from one of the clubs called police and PC Farrow and two other officers turned up."
So Mr J and Fiend are not wanted in either nightclub - why not?
" "Quite a few of us were quite shocked that he had been tasered with no apparent trigger," the doctor told the misconduct panel. "
It's obvious that Mr J and Fiend had been giving the nightclub security uncalled for aggression. It's a good job I'm not in the Police as I'd have been inclined to taser the plonkers just for wasting Police time for starters. Any pictures of Mr J and Fiend?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 13:07:55 GMT
Any pictures of Mr J and Fiend? Why do you want pictures of them?
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Post by smileypete on Jan 22, 2017 13:28:08 GMT
I added another Bristol police taser story but pulled it as it's not too constructive in the circumstances. Foxy meanwhile replied so it now looks like he's talking to himself, HA!
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 22, 2017 13:44:20 GMT
Any pictures of Mr J and Fiend? Why do you want pictures of them? I like to watch.
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Post by boatman on Jan 22, 2017 17:25:50 GMT
From an old RAF mate who worked for the old bill after de mob. A different slant on things!
I knew it wouldn't be long before this came out. Firstly, PACE states that officers can arrest someone who refuses to give their identity so that this can be determined at a police station to establish if they are wanted. Happens all the time. The officers suspected the man to be wanted so he was told he was under arrest. Enough said. As long as the jist of being informed of being arrested is conveyed, that is sufficient as sometimes you don't have the time to go through the usual protocol in the heat of the moment. The PC can clearly be heard saying ' if you won't give me your name, then your under arrest' . Job done. The bloke tries to get into his house and scuffles with the officers. What is known in law as ' resisting arrest'. The man has a set of keys in his hand, the officer tells him as much and that is why her taser is drawn. To all intents he is armed. The officer asks him to put his keys away. You can be killed with a pencil ffs. Officers are trained to say ' taser taser' when the taser has been discharged to warn the other officer of the risk and to prepare for the aftercare of the subject. There is no problem firing first as its not helpful to warn your target that your going to shoot! Don't forget, this man is a supposed member of a panel to help communication between police and the community and his actions in the incident are questionable. Also, he has form for a similar incident in 2009 where he received compensation from the police. If he had given his name, d.o.b and address like normal people this would never have happened to him.
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Post by Saltysplash on Jan 22, 2017 17:47:49 GMT
From an old RAF mate who worked for the old bill after de mob. A different slant on things! I knew it wouldn't be long before this came out. Firstly, PACE states that officers can arrest someone who refuses to give their identity so that this can be determined at a police station to establish if they are wanted. Happens all the time. The officers suspected the man to be wanted so he was told he was under arrest. Enough said. As long as the jist of being informed of being arrested is conveyed, that is sufficient as sometimes you don't have the time to go through the usual protocol in the heat of the moment. The PC can clearly be heard saying ' if you won't give me your name, then your under arrest' . Job done. The bloke tries to get into his house and scuffles with the officers. What is known in law as ' resisting arrest'. The man has a set of keys in his hand, the officer tells him as much and that is why her taser is drawn. To all intents he is armed. The officer asks him to put his keys away. You can be killed with a pencil ffs. Officers are trained to say ' taser taser' when the taser has been discharged to warn the other officer of the risk and to prepare for the aftercare of the subject. There is no problem firing first as its not helpful to warn your target that your going to shoot! Don't forget, this man is a supposed member of a panel to help communication between police and the community and his actions in the incident are questionable. Also, he has form for a similar incident in 2009 where he received compensation from the police. If he had given his name, d.o.b and address like normal people this would never have happened to him. Like I said, people with an agenda. There is only a problem if those who's political position depends on there being a problem, declare there is a problem.
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Post by smileypete on Jan 22, 2017 17:57:20 GMT
From an old RAF mate who worked for the old bill after de mob. A different slant on things! The PC can clearly be heard saying ' if you won't give me your name, then your under arrest' . Job done. The bloke tries to get into his house and scuffles with the officers. What is known in law as ' resisting arrest'. Sorry, that's a threat to arrest, not an arrest so they're clearly wrong, as the dropped charges attest. It does sounds like your mate has become 'institutionalized' where they find it impossible to understand where the police are obviously at fault. Anyone with a reasonable amount of common sense could probably have handled the situation a lot better. Also, he has form for a similar incident in 2009 where he received compensation from the police. If he had given his name, d.o.b and address like normal people this would never have happened to him. You've got it the wrong way round, it's the police that have 'form', the old guy has previous bad experiences with them and it's not uncommon: www.stop-watch.org/experiences/Here, just for the apologists, here's a still from the video: Attachments:
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Post by smileypete on Jan 22, 2017 18:15:18 GMT
Credit where credit is due, here's a copper handling a trick situation really well. Stupid twats in London loudly revving their mercs in traffic, police on push bike pulls them over, they ignore him and drive off. Then some middle aged bloke walks up and keys their car, they soon run blubbing to the police guy. (Arrogant twats, serves him right )
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Post by twbm2 on Jan 22, 2017 19:41:16 GMT
I really hope time travel becomes a real thing some day.
Then all the armchair experts could be dropped into the situation with a generous three seconds to determine the proper course of action and execute it perfectly.
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Post by IainS on Jan 22, 2017 21:08:36 GMT
I really hope time travel becomes a real thing some day. Then all the armchair experts could be dropped into the situation with a generous three seconds to determine the proper course of action and execute it perfectly. Exactly!
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Post by IainS on Jan 22, 2017 21:26:00 GMT
From an old RAF mate who worked for the old bill after de mob. A different slant on things!. The PC can clearly be heard saying ' if you won't give me your name, then your under arrest' . Job done. The bloke tries to get into his house and scuffles with the officers. What is known in law as ' resisting arrest'. Sorry, that's a threat to arrest, not an arrest so they're clearly wrong, as the dropped charges attest. It does sounds like your mate has become 'institutionalized' where they find it impossible to understand where the police are obviously at fault. Anyone with a reasonable amount of common sense could probably have handled the situation a lot better. Also, he has form for a similar incident in 2009 where he received compensation from the police. If he had given his name, d.o.b and address like normal people this would never have happened to him. You've got it the wrong way round, it's the police that have 'form', the old guy has previous bad experiences with them and it's not uncommon: www.stop-watch.org/experiences/Here, just for the apologists, here's a still from the video: Looks very different on my PC! In the one I looked at, the tazer barb is clear, and not a vertical bar as it appears via your attachment onto my iPad! Is that a still from the video, or the frame which appears before the video is played? If it is a still frame, it has been edited, Kind of agree it could have been handled a lot better, but my hindsight is always better than 20/20!
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 23, 2017 5:13:06 GMT
3 seconds is enough time to add another scratch to Mr Blubber's Mercedes.
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Post by smileypete on Jan 23, 2017 17:00:00 GMT
]Looks very different on my PC! In the one I looked at, the tazer barb is clear, and not a vertical bar as it appears via your attachment onto my iPad! Is that a still from the video, or the frame which appears before the video is played? If it is a still frame, it has been edited So it's all a big conspiracyyyyyy is it? C'mon!!! Look, here's another still if you really believe otherwise... you can clearly see the barb on the bottom left of his face, and the wires going to it.:
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