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Post by Telemachus on Jan 27, 2017 21:39:08 GMT
i suppose it depends on why you think most people have children. Is it because they are bonking away like rabbits and suddenly this baby plops out? Or is it because they decide to have kids, presumably so there will be something to show off to the neighbours / mother in law, someone to look after them when they are old etc? I can't speak for everybody, but for me I just felt that the stars were aligned, and it was the right decision to take. I was in my late 30s at the time so it wasn't something I rushed into. You've met one of my sons, Sam, we crossed in a lock flight last year, I seem to remember you were single handing at the time? He chatted to you and said you seemed a sound fellah. Does that ring any bells? I certainly didn't bring him into the world to impress the neighbours, and the doctors told me this week that I have little chance of needing care in old age. What are you supposed to do when you make a frivolous and (allegedly) humorous post, and somebody comes back dead pan? Anyway, yes of course I remember your son, very helpful he was too. Curdworth lock 6 IIRC (maybe 7).
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 27, 2017 21:57:01 GMT
The wealth thing is that it makes it easy to live within any and all rules. It's always the comfortably off insisting everyone else keeps to them too, but if you have the choice of a shit life or break a few rules what to do? I crammed my working life into 15 years, but before I got going on life there were times when I was breaking very many rules. Now I'm sitting pretty I don't. There is a direct correlation that someone on a straight path through life might not perceive. The wealth thing can make it easier to live within the rules, although of course some people get wealth by operating outside the rules! But plenty of people of minimal means manage to be law abiding. I think it is a poor excuse "fair cop, but society / my bank balance is to blame". I'd draw the line at someone who was in desperate need though - if you are actually starving it is not unreasonable to steal some food. its certainly true that some folk can find themselves in desperate circumstances through no fault of there own, but equally there are plenty of folk who take the view that "never mind, 'they' will look after me so what's the point of getting a job" etc. Oh and "if we have some sprogs, think of what we could do with the child benefit".
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 27, 2017 22:03:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 22:29:21 GMT
The kids lose their homes.
They haven't made any choices yet.
Is our only response going to be to judge their parents and pat ourselves on the back for making better life choices?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 22:35:59 GMT
Nice article/cartoon. We all have different paths (or flows) but everyone regardless of weath, age, sex, race or beliefs have a choice between being kind or not. Money tends to buy control rather than kindness. Spending quality time with people is all that really matters in the end.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 27, 2017 22:43:05 GMT
The kids lose their homes. They haven't made any choices yet. Is our only response going to be to judge their parents and pat ourselves on the back for making better life choices? Rog So your argument is that if you have kids, you should be allowed to do what you like. Hmmm well considering most people have kids, that makes for pretty much a free for all. Why bother to have any laws at all? You are right in that the kids are blameless in this, but so what, who ever said this was a fair world? If it were a fair world there wouldn't be kids in Africa dying from a lack of the same fresh water than you run down the sink whilst you are brushing your teeth, or flush down the lavatory after you've shat in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 22:57:44 GMT
The kids lose their homes. They haven't made any choices yet. Is our only response going to be to judge their parents and pat ourselves on the back for making better life choices? Rog You are right in that the kids are blameless in this, but so what, who ever said this was a fair world? Are you saying that it's acceptable just to blame the world? Surely we should try to help where we can and help make this world a fairer place. I know it's impossible to fix everything ourselves, but if everyone just concentrated on being kind to our friends, family and those we meet, the world would be a much better place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 23:05:44 GMT
More random examples of issues unconnected with boating.
I found the families living, working and schooling along the K&A, added to my enjoyment of the waterway. All had created moorings from rough banks and were not on the visitor moorings. It was great to see young families on boats for a change. How long they'll stay even left to their own devices, I don't know. Living as they do full time off grid has to be hard.
But, I repeat, the numbers are tiny, many have jobs and kids in school. They move around but wish to remain in a convenient locality.
There must be a solution rather than just trying to remove them all.
In the long run I'm certain it will be financially more rewarding to C&RT, to find solutions that work, than to pay solicitors.
Anyway, we'll have to agree to differ.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 27, 2017 23:17:48 GMT
You are right in that the kids are blameless in this, but so what, who ever said this was a fair world? Are you saying that it's acceptable just to blame the world? Surely we should try to help where we can and help make this world a fairer place. Whether acceptable or not is irrelevant, it's just the way it is. Personally I think there are more important things to try to "fix" and make fair than whether a family can plonk their mobile home down wherever they like. I agree that we should try to help others and I spend a fair bit of time doing that. But it wouldn't, for example, extend to helping someone rob a bank or mug an old lady.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 0:08:59 GMT
Are you saying that it's acceptable just to blame the world? Surely we should try to help where we can and help make this world a fairer place. Whether acceptable or not is irrelevant, it's just the way it is. There you go again. It's only the way it is because we don't put ourselves in other people's positions and try to help....and what on earth is helping people to rob a bank or mug old ladies got to to do with it? I think the truth of the matter is that most of us do try to do something, but probably not enough. I do have a lot of respect for people like John (of the other channel) who has sacrificed a 'comfortable' lifestyle to help those who are much less fortunate. Ok, we can all get into the judgement and politics of what he is doing, but I bet he has had more of a positive effect on the world than most of us. Kindness breeds kindness. Yes, there will be piss takers but they are in the minority. Going back to those who choose to live on a boat and bring a family up on one. It's very unusual for anyone to prefer that over living in a socially funded flat. Those who choose to live on a boat are pretty unique and I agree that they add interest to the waterways. When I queried what some said on the other channel about how bad the 'problem' was on the K&A, it became apparent to me that most of it came down to individuals not being able to moor up when and where they liked. This is the problem, many people with lots of money believe it gives them special rights over those who haven't. There is no such thing as rights, there is only gaining respect by doing the right thing. Sharing fairly and accepting we are not the centre of the universe is part of that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 7:24:19 GMT
I find the technique of attaching patrol notices in an obviously visible way is quite out of order. What happens if the boat owner is away for a day or two (hospital?) and not able to remove the notice. This is an obvious sign that the coat is unoccupied and therefore a burglary target.
I went to a 'forum' organised by CRT and there were quite a lot of cruising club people there. They got very hot under the collar about putting patrol notices on boats very visibly so everyone can see who is being naughty and if the boat is still there next day and patrol notice gone put another one on it !. Sort of like attempting to demonise boat users in some way.
It seemed to be very important that something is being done and that it is visible to other waterway users.
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 28, 2017 9:49:53 GMT
So, Foxy, if your children messed up at school, following your advice for other life failures, I expect you'd encourage them to meekly shuffle into a low paid job, put up and shut up.
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Would you say it doesn't matter, there is more than one way to skin a cat, get out there and achieve achievements using your wit and cunning?
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Post by kris on Jan 28, 2017 10:00:52 GMT
I'm failing to see what academic acheivment has to do with the issue. I think someone is falling into stereotyping. A lot of the young people I've met living on boats in London are professionals, so they can't all not have paid attention at school. Not everybody is academically minded so using it as a yard stick to judge people by is a load of bollocks anyway.
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 28, 2017 10:08:25 GMT
I'm failing to see what academic acheivment has to do with the issue. I think someone is falling into stereotyping. A lot of the young people I've met living on boats in London are professionals, so they can't all not have paid attention at school. Not everybody is academically minded so using it as a yard stick to judge people by is a load of bollocks anyway. That's the point(ish) I was clumsily shuffling round. You put it better. But back to life's norms, I think it upsets those who follow the "system" when they find out that others who did/do not are getting along ok too. That's not what they bought into. Those that fail at school should continue to fail right through life. So much neater like that.
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Post by kris on Jan 28, 2017 10:18:54 GMT
I'm failing to see what academic acheivment has to do with the issue. I think someone is falling into stereotyping. A lot of the young people I've met living on boats in London are professionals, so they can't all not have paid attention at school. Not everybody is academically minded so using it as a yard stick to judge people by is a load of bollocks anyway. That's the point(ish) I was clumsily shuffling round. You put it better. But back to life's norms, I think it upsets those who follow the "system" when they find out that others who did/do not are getting along ok too. That's not what they bought into. Those that fail at school should continue to fail right through life. So much neater like that. it also reinforces their feelings of superiority, which is something Nick suffers from in bucket loads.
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