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Post by lollygagger on Jan 28, 2017 10:25:24 GMT
That's the point(ish) I was clumsily shuffling round. You put it better. But back to life's norms, I think it upsets those who follow the "system" when they find out that others who did/do not are getting along ok too. That's not what they bought into. Those that fail at school should continue to fail right through life. So much neater like that. it also reinforces their feelings of superiority, which is something Nick suffers from in bucket loads. For me it exposes an unimaginative, safe, middle of the road view of life.
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Post by kris on Jan 28, 2017 10:30:38 GMT
Insecurity in themselves I think plays a big part. If you have to feel superior to other people, to feel good about yourself. Then your not very secure in yourself, it's a shame when people get to nicks age and they aren't happy with themselves. So have to place themselves in superiority to other people, to feel better about themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 10:35:00 GMT
I'm failing to see what academic acheivment has to do with the issue. I think someone is falling into stereotyping. A lot of the young people I've met living on boats in London are professionals, so they can't all not have paid attention at school. Not everybody is academically minded so using it as a yard stick to judge people by is a load of bollocks anyway. I agree. Sterotyping is often used as a stick too to try to justify one's own bad behavior or to stir up trouble. I don't think human intelligence has done much good in the name of getting on with each other or saving this planet from Armageddon. Maybe emotional intelligence has fallen way behind logical intelligence. I think the elite see the answer as using technology to escape this dying planet and set up somewhere else. I'm sure if we used that money and intelligence wisely, mankind could enjoy many more thousand years on this planet. After all you could sort out the population growth issue in just a couple of generations through education. Unfortunately it's more likely to get sorted by war...
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 28, 2017 10:40:23 GMT
You need some kind of education to be a 'professional' - you don't become one just like that!
If you 'messed up' at school, you can still study later in life.
I do not approve of those losers at the back of the classroom disturbing those who want to study.
Using wit and cunning is fine by me - but you need to have some!
I'm happy when I've put in some effort and see results. I'm unhappy when I have been lazy and have frittered away my time. Still, resting is good sometimes, we can't have our noses to the grindstone 24/7.
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Post by kris on Jan 28, 2017 10:44:35 GMT
You need some kind of education to be a 'professional' - you don't become one just like that! If you 'messed up' at school, you can still study later in life. I do not approve of those losers at the back of the classroom disturbing those who want to study. Using wit and cunning is fine by me - but you need to have some! I'm happy when I've put in some effort and see results. I'm unhappy when I have been lazy and have frittered away my time. Still, resting is good sometimes, we can't have our noses to the grindstone 24/7. but foxy what have the naughty kids at the back of the class got to do with living on a boat on the cut?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 10:46:52 GMT
Insecurity in themselves I think plays a big part. If you have to feel superior to other people, to feel good about yourself. Then your not very secure in yourself, it's a shame when people get to nicks age and they aren't happy with themselves. So have to place themselves in superiority to other people, to feel better about themselves. Whist it's true many people get a kick out of feeling more superior than others (just look at those in the Dragons Den), it's not a black or white thing. Nick for example has offered up technical help on the forums, he doesn't have to do that and it is appreciated. Same as those in the Dragons Den. Their motives might he a bit iffy, but at least they have created jobs for many. What is more worrying is that those in powerful positions can do more damage to the world when their motives are astray.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 28, 2017 10:57:14 GMT
I find the technique of attaching patrol notices in an obviously visible way is quite out of order. What happens if the boat owner is away for a day or two (hospital?) and not able to remove the notice. This is an obvious sign that the coat is unoccupied and therefore a burglary target. I went to a 'forum' organised by CRT and there were quite a lot of cruising club people there. They got very hot under the collar about putting patrol notices on boats very visibly so everyone can see who is being naughty and if the boat is still there next day and patrol notice gone put another one on it !. Sort of like attempting to demonise boat users in some way. It seemed to be very important that something is being done and that it is visible to other waterway users. Doesn't seem any different to parking tickets and if you don't want to get one, don't overstay. That said it seems the system isn't very robust so if there is anything to complain about and improve, it's the accuracy of the logging system not the concept of attaching notices to overstating boats. And anyway, what alternative would you suggest for people "off the radar" with no home address and no contact details that CRT are aware of?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 10:59:22 GMT
You need some kind of education to be a 'professional' - you don't become one just like that! If you 'messed up' at school, you can still study later in life. I do not approve of those losers at the back of the classroom disturbing those who want to study. Using wit and cunning is fine by me - but you need to have some! I'm happy when I've put in some effort and see results. I'm unhappy when I have been lazy and have frittered away my time. Still, resting is good sometimes, we can't have our noses to the grindstone 24/7. but foxy what have the naughty kids at the back of the class got to do with living on a boat on the cut? Didn't want to derail the thread further, but here goes; I was one of those naughty kids at the back of the class, when it came to taking O levels my parents had to pay for the exam entry because I had 'bunked' off too many times. I had some dead end jobs but eventually to everyone's amusement I ended up as a consultant being paid £700.00 a day for my expertise by quite a lot of idiots - sadly those idiots (despite paying me a large sum for my expertise) nearly always ignored it! I'm hopefully moving onto the cut in the later part of this year and the main reasons why are the 'community spirit', 'the diverse community' and freedom to move on when I want to. I enjoyed watching the video (especially the bit when the CRT guy starts squirming over 'we are not a public body'!
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 28, 2017 11:06:29 GMT
You need some kind of education to be a 'professional' - you don't become one just like that! . Really? I did. I was a lead design consultant. I designed civil, mechanical, electrical and lightning protection systems with no qualifications beyond o-level. Customers were all the mobile phone network providers, the BBC, ITV, Phillips, Transco... I was so good at my job nobody wanted to rock the boat by asking.
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 28, 2017 11:08:44 GMT
Ha! Cross posted with Andy, we can't be that odd then, there's at least two of us.
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 28, 2017 11:16:12 GMT
I went a bit further and only employed people who for one reason or another had no qualifications. One is now a sought after designer himself. I only employed people who could play musical instruments. To me that showed they were motivated to learn and it judged them on their own terms. I was never disappointed.
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Post by kris on Jan 28, 2017 11:20:00 GMT
I went a bit further and only employed people who for one reason or another had no qualifications. One is now a sought after designer himself. I only employed people who could play musical instruments. To me that showed they were motivated to learn and it judged them on their own terms. I was never disappointed. exactly there are lots more things in life to excel at other than academic qualifications.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 11:22:05 GMT
You need some kind of education to be a 'professional' - you don't become one just like that! . Really? I did. I was a lead design consultant. I designed civil, mechanical, electrical and lightning protection systems with no qualifications beyond o-level. Customers were all the mobile phone network providers, the BBC, ITV, Phillips, Transco... I was so good at my job nobody wanted to rock the boat by asking. I came out of school with only 2 O'levels and ended up as a principle engineer with a 'professional' salary with this country's leading aerospace company. It's far more about enthusiasm and 'on the job'/life experience. Written exams are often more about testing memory than problem solving. Someone with a photographic memory could pass one but have no idea how to use the knowledge in practice.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 11:31:07 GMT
I find the technique of attaching patrol notices in an obviously visible way is quite out of order. What happens if the boat owner is away for a day or two (hospital?) and not able to remove the notice. This is an obvious sign that the coat is unoccupied and therefore a burglary target. I went to a 'forum' organised by CRT and there were quite a lot of cruising club people there. They got very hot under the collar about putting patrol notices on boats very visibly so everyone can see who is being naughty and if the boat is still there next day and patrol notice gone put another one on it !. Sort of like attempting to demonise boat users in some way. It seemed to be very important that something is being done and that it is visible to other waterway users. Doesn't seem any different to parking tickets and if you don't want to get one, don't overstay. That said it seems the system isn't very robust so if there is anything to complain about and improve, it's the accuracy of the logging system not the concept of attaching notices to overstating boats. And anyway, what alternative would you suggest for people "off the radar" with no home address and no contact details that CRT are aware of? Leave them alone unless they are genuinely breaking the law or causing obstruction (i.e taking the piss). The problem is boaters being targeted who aren't (as you suggest). They shouldn't have put up with being labelled as naughty and have their security compromised without proper evidence.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 28, 2017 11:34:36 GMT
You need some kind of education to be a 'professional' - you don't become one just like that! If you 'messed up' at school, you can still study later in life. I do not approve of those losers at the back of the classroom disturbing those who want to study. Using wit and cunning is fine by me - but you need to have some! I'm happy when I've put in some effort and see results. I'm unhappy when I have been lazy and have frittered away my time. Still, resting is good sometimes, we can't have our noses to the grindstone 24/7. but foxy what have the naughty kids at the back of the class got to do with living on a boat on the cut? I believe my thought came from Nick's comment: "I bothered to pay attention at school and uni, and made some good life choices." We all know the scene, where, when teacher is out of the classroom, the jealous dimwit losers have to come over the the bright kids' desks and scribble all over their notebooks/homework. It's the same on my buses - those who occupy the back seats, away from the driver, are usually up to no good. As it happens, yesterday afternoon I had to drop into their behaviour - I know it's the weekend and they were in high spirits, but I am also responsible for the sensitivities of the other kids who don't want to hear a lot of swearing to impress their loser mates. It is a form of public transport and I don't want these teenagers to think I'm a pushover. I diplomatically shouted "Can we reduce the swearing on this bus? I look a lot through my fingers but I've noticed recently it's been growing. Is that clear?" - "Clear" came a shout from the back. When he (for it is one boy) got off just a couple of km later I said "You can swear as much as you like outside!" and he said "Got ya!" One has to draw the limits somewhere. I have my secret names for many of my passengers, this one is 'The Lobster' as he has a bright orange jump suit and his arms are curved like a lobster's pincers as he gets on the bus.
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