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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 18:04:27 GMT
Those Chinese ones will quickly fall apart if being used everyday, get a proper Jap 1. Hmmmmmm I remember hearing the same thing about East German bikes 40 years ago !!! (I bought an MZ ETS250 on which I did over 50K on one of the best "Cooking version" bikes I ever owned) incidentally a picture of my last bike img320 by mudlarker2, on Flickr That Laverda is a beauty!
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 1, 2017 18:05:26 GMT
My thoughts on new-to-bike people.
If you drive your bike in a similar way to how you drive your car, you will be injured or die fairly quickly. You need a "whole new paradigm" of defensive driving.
In a car, you drive along a main road, a car approaches on a side road to give way, you just carry on. If you do that on a bike, one time in a thousand that car will pull straight out and kill you. The thing with probabilities is that the one in a thousand event may occur on the first event, not the 1000th. So you need to adjust your speed so that when the car does pull out, you can avoid it - ie you eradicate the hazard. You also need to be positioned in the road so as to maximise the probability of the other driver seeing you.
That's just an example of course. I'd strongly recommend training beyond the CBT to get the hang of riding to stay alive. Also when I had a small trail bike and a big fuck-off sports bike, the difference in how other users regarded me was massive. On a small bike, you are pushed into the dirt, ignored etc. On a big bike, they are intimidated by you and keep their distance. So a big bike driven at a sensible speed is much safer than a tiddler driven the same way.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 1, 2017 18:06:38 GMT
Hmmmmmm I remember hearing the same thing about East German bikes 40 years ago !!! (I bought an MZ ETS250 on which I did over 50K on one of the best "Cooking version" bikes I ever owned) incidentally a picture of my last bike img320 by mudlarker2, on Flickr I had a Jialing JH125L Trail Blazer, it was a 2000, Preregistered. Got it for buttons at a bike shop that was closing down. It was a XL125s copy - an accurate one at that! The crap stuff was the following:- Fasteners - replaced with stuff from work. Brake shoes - replaced with EBC items Wheel bearings - replaced with Jap bearings from work. Shocks, totally devoid of any compression or rebound damping - replaced with Hagon units. Exhaust, nasty mild steel thing that had a horrible flat restrictive section by the shock top mount - replaced with a lovely old stock micron pipe. Tyres, trail things that got outed for some proper enduro tyres. Spark plug and cap, replaced with NGK stuff. I used it for trail riding, marshaling and I even competed on it coming best 125 and 17th overall when I couldn't get any support to fuel the thirsty two stroke I came second on the year before It had its neck wrung everywhere and never ever missed a beat - I did 7k flat out everywhere and once it was built right all it used was fuel, a few chains and several oil changes I have passed it on to my mates lad as I wasn't using it - it's still bob on. The MZ I got new in 1970 (?) put Dunlop tyres on it and a Reynolds chain. Everything else was fine
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 18:06:51 GMT
So am I restricted to a 50cc moped or could I go for a C90? I quite like the C90. I also quite like the Honda Melody (its horribly naff I do realise this). A friend of mine has a nice old Philips autocycle - he might be selling it but I suspect they are worth a bit and rather nickable. Apparently it requires LPA on inclines - Light Pedal Assistance. I remember at school other boys were into Yamaha fs1e's and Suzuki ap50's. www.gov.uk/motorcycle-cbt/who-needs-training50cc only I'm afraid. The old stuff is collectable and valuable now. I'm not sure I'd want to be mixing it up with modern traffic on a 50cc twist and go restricted to 30mph tbh! Do your CBT and take it from there, you never know you might fancy getting your full licence in time. Hmm. Yes you are probably right. A friend of mine did his CBT a few years ago (over 50 years old) and soon after he became the owner of an FJR1300. Oops. Is it some sort of addictive thing or what Point taken about 50cc mopeds.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 18:10:21 GMT
My thoughts on new-to-bike people. If you drive your bike in a similar way to how you drive your car, you will be injured or die fairly quickly. You need a "whole new paradigm" of defensive driving. In a car, you drive along a main road, a car approaches on a side road to give way, you just carry on. If you do that on a bike, one time in a thousand that car will pull straight out and kill you. The thing with probabilities is that the one in a thousand event may occur on the first event, not the 1000th. So you need to adjust your speed so that when the car does pull out, you can avoid it - ie you eradicate the hazard. You also need to be positioned in the road so as to maximise the probability of the other driver seeing you. That's just an example of course. I'd strongly recommend training beyond the CBT to get the hang of riding to stay alive. Also when I had a small trail bike and a big fuck-off sports bike, the difference in how other users regarded me was massive. On a small bike, you are pushed into the dirt, ignored etc. On a big bike, they are intimidated by you and keep their distance. So a big bike driven at a sensible speed is much safer than a tiddler driven the same way. I drive my car very defensively actually. I always assume someone else is going to do something stupid and take account of it. I can see how this would be ten times more important on a bike. I know people who have had life changing injuries from motorcycling and it has put me off in the past but it does seem to be an option for efficient transport. I guess the beam me up Scottie would be better.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 1, 2017 18:10:34 GMT
www.gov.uk/motorcycle-cbt/who-needs-training50cc only I'm afraid. The old stuff is collectable and valuable now. I'm not sure I'd want to be mixing it up with modern traffic on a 50cc twist and go restricted to 30mph tbh! Do your CBT and take it from there, you never know you might fancy getting your full licence in time. Hmm. Yes you are probably right. A friend of mine did his CBT a few years ago (over 59 years old) and soon after he became the owner of an FJR1300. Oops. Is it some sort of addictive thing or what Point taken about 50cc mopeds. Oh very very addictive
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 18:12:31 GMT
I hate addiction
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 18:12:35 GMT
I had a Jialing JH125L Trail Blazer, it was a 2000, Preregistered. Got it for buttons at a bike shop that was closing down. It was a XL125s copy - an accurate one at that! The crap stuff was the following:- Fasteners - replaced with stuff from work. Brake shoes - replaced with EBC items Wheel bearings - replaced with Jap bearings from work. Shocks, totally devoid of any compression or rebound damping - replaced with Hagon units. Exhaust, nasty mild steel thing that had a horrible flat restrictive section by the shock top mount - replaced with a lovely old stock micron pipe. Tyres, trail things that got outed for some proper enduro tyres. Spark plug and cap, replaced with NGK stuff. I used it for trail riding, marshaling and I even competed on it coming best 125 and 17th overall when I couldn't get any support to fuel the thirsty two stroke I came second on the year before It had its neck wrung everywhere and never ever missed a beat - I did 7k flat out everywhere and once it was built right all it used was fuel, a few chains and several oil changes I have passed it on to my mates lad as I wasn't using it - it's still bob on. The MZ I got new in 1970 (?) put Dunlop tyres on it and a Reynolds chain. Everything else was fine I'd have loved an MZ but they were not that common round our way. They had a proud racing pedigree before Yamaha and Suzuki burst on the scene! Extremely well made bits of kit - eminently tuneable too - I half fancied a go at the MZ series in the 90's but couldn't afford to. They were sticking RM 250 pistons in em and getting wild with the Rifler files with some impressive results, I'm sure one time two stroke guru Stan Stephens built a championship winning engine for someone.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 1, 2017 18:17:07 GMT
The MZ I got new in 1970 (?) put Dunlop tyres on it and a Reynolds chain. Everything else was fine I'd have loved an MZ but they were not that common round our way. They had a proud racing pedigree before Yamaha and Suzuki burst on the scene! Extremely well made bits of kit - eminently tuneable too - I half fancied a go at the MZ series in the 90's but couldn't afford to. They were sticking RM 250 pistons in em and getting wild with the Rifler files with some impressive results, I'm sure one time two stroke guru Stan Stephens built a championship winning engine for someone. Chap I knew back in the 70's had a MZ ISDT replica, he dropped it on a mountain section and severely bent the frame ....... while he was waiting for a new frame from E Germany he popped its 350 engine into a 250 roadster rolling chassis ........ used to love going out and burning off unsuspecting Jap bikes
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Post by Ssscrudddy on Feb 1, 2017 18:29:42 GMT
Driving license is 1992. I thought that allowed up to 125 with L plates but could have got that wrong. Would be worth doing the CBT anyway as i would prefer something larger. I quite like the idea of a big single cylinder job. Never ridden any bike so no idea really. The sinis seems to be quite good but I would probably prefer a 2nd hand Japanese or german unit on balance. I'm not particularly looking for speed although I can imagine that may become desirable !! My use would be mostly in London traffic. Back then it was, but they changed it in 95. Me on my Suzuki GT 125
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Post by faffer on Feb 1, 2017 18:40:46 GMT
Come on you lot dont get me wanting a bike again I miss the cruises out to the boat yard with a back full of tools and buttys This was my baby a while ago. My first time so a CBT was needed which was a doddle and cheap. I love cruisers
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 18:42:30 GMT
Driving license is 1992. I thought that allowed up to 125 with L plates but could have got that wrong. Would be worth doing the CBT anyway as i would prefer something larger. I quite like the idea of a big single cylinder job. Never ridden any bike so no idea really. The sinis seems to be quite good but I would probably prefer a 2nd hand Japanese or german unit on balance. I'm not particularly looking for speed although I can imagine that may become desirable !! My use would be mostly in London traffic. Back then it was, but they changed it in 95, I believe in no small part because of the Suzuki GT 125 which could do over 100 mph. Me on my Suzuki GT 125 That's what you call a period photo!! The Yamaha RD LC and Suzuki X7 did for the 250 learner bracket. The yam RD125LC and the suzi RG125 did for the 125cc category - a 12hp limit was implemented. The 33bhp restricted licence seemed like a good idea, undone by directl access allowing well off born again bikers access to phenomenally quick stuff at the flash of a cheque book. Cost kept us climbing through the capacity classes, I couldn't afford to insure anything bigger than a vf400 Honda aged 18!
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Post by JohnV on Feb 1, 2017 18:43:23 GMT
I used to love small quick bikes this is one of my Mk8 Competition Itoms 50cc (not a moped a true motorbike) top speed in bog standard trim 65mph 70 if you had two teeth off the back sprocket ........ non-existant brakes but boy were they fun to ride img139 by mudlarker2, on Flickr
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Post by JohnV on Feb 1, 2017 18:49:04 GMT
this is another Itom ..... a much modified and tuned one. revved to 15,500, dyke ring piston polished flywheel and pear shaped cross section conrod, side inlet and disc valve. Good for 80+ even with my weight ........ but only about 200 miles between rebuilds img140 by mudlarker2, on Flickr
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Post by faffer on Feb 1, 2017 18:54:09 GMT
I used to love small quick bikes this is one of my Mk8 Competition Itoms 50cc (not a moped a true motorbike) top speed in bog standard trim 65mph 70 if you had two teeth off the back sprocket ........ non-existant brakes but boy were they fun to ride img139 by mudlarker2, on Flickr Which series was that pic taken then John. I see you brushd your hair for this pic
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