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Post by thebfg on Feb 2, 2017 21:06:02 GMT
I live nearby so this is interesting for me . Found this after some rooting about www.calmoreshow.org.uk/agestot.htmAs the text says the black line is the canal, which seems to loop away from the river bank in the general direction of Adams Morey if you see what I mean. Your putative lock is just upstream of the bridge. Just spent some time on Google maps satellite view trying to spot signs of a canal bed - best I can do is the footpath to the right of Test Lane maybe? Thank you a good read. I've friends in calmore past the link onto them too. A description of the route of the southampton canal is south of redbridge roundabout and cross the A33 under the flyover. And meets the Andover canal near the end of gover road/test lane junction which as you say would have it there or thereabouts going through adams morrey. The old rough drawings I have seen have the Andover canal continue south past the canal junction towards the river at some point. There are parts of the verge on test lane which are the towpath and parts of the test way to romsey is also on the towpath. I've never walked that part of the path so when the weather turns I'll walk up to at least Kimbridge where the Andover and Salisbury canals split. I am getting the feeling that the actual lock is above the bridge. I will wait for the sun before looking further. The other end of the canal ended at gods tower which was obviously on the river bank back then. The sea lock into the Itchen has been long gone and they found the remains of a wharf when they were building Queens way. However in true southampton way it was bulldozed and concreted before any drawings or pics were done. Foxy we have two museums all about the air and the sea. Our local council does not allow any other history. They do try but over the years have slowly destroyed anything of historical interest. There is a canal society and I'm going to make one of their meetings, work permitted and see what else I can find out.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 2, 2017 21:21:50 GMT
Here is a map. gods tower is at the southerly point and a sea lock into the Itchen is marked At its westerly point. Someone has kindly shown me a picture taken at that point. I'm not sure if it's remains or not. I wide of thought the wall would be more level but the brick courses look like they are running downhill. I will pop there tomorrow at low tide for a better look. We even had a nice tunnel, I am lled to believe it is under the current railway tunnel. Stories say that a couple of years ago train drivers were reporting that they were hitting the tunnel walls. Their tunnel was dropping into the canal tunnel. They are not lined up but criss cross each other a little. They lowered the track now to take larger containers and there is no public access to the canal tunnel it's not known if there is any access or not.
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Post by Stumpy on Feb 2, 2017 21:48:06 GMT
'Ere, I'll try this for you.
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Post by Stumpy on Feb 2, 2017 22:06:07 GMT
The site won't let me upload the other photo's as is says the files are to big.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 2, 2017 23:37:47 GMT
Thank you.
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Post by paddlegear on Feb 4, 2017 4:04:53 GMT
As far as I know, and I have tried to look for the old lock and canal, that most of the railway line is on top of the canal bed. As for the tunnel I thought that the railway tunnel cut through the old canal tunnel and most of the canal tunnel is still there. I was told that ashes were used to fill in the old tunnel. There is the old basin of one of the canals still visible on the Hants Wilts boarder - 20 years ago there was a pub there - the basin looks no more than a duck pond with no evidence of brickwork or anything hard if you get my drift.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 4, 2017 9:22:12 GMT
As far as I know, and I have tried to look for the old lock and canal, that most of the railway line is on top of the canal bed. As for the tunnel I thought that the railway tunnel cut through the old canal tunnel and most of the canal tunnel is still there. I was told that ashes were used to fill in the old tunnel. There is the old basin of one of the canals still visible on the Hants Wilts boarder - 20 years ago there was a pub there - the basin looks no more than a duck pond with no evidence of brickwork or anything hard if you get my drift. Thank you. I never knew that. It's at West dean. Are you talking about the pond outside what was the pub or further up. Been there many a time but never looked at it that way. I used to live in West tyhtherly and spent many years in lockerly and the awbridge area. I'm led to believe there were some staircase locks around that area. So once again when it's nicer and I've got some holiday without the kiddies. I'm off exploring that area too.
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Post by paddlegear on Feb 5, 2017 10:51:32 GMT
I think so - summer '95 was the last time I was there, The Red Lion - gone now... Book - Hampshire Waterways by P.A.L. Vine, Middleton Press 1990
As for Red Bridge and the sea lock it was up stream from the bridge and that slipway type thing in your photos is not anything to do with the canal. I did spend some time to see if I could find the lock, or rather any evidence of it, but to no avail.
I had the chance to work excavating a lock on the Itchin Navigation with some fellows from Southampton's archeology dept. The hope was to uncover anything left of the lock gates but there was only the cills to be found. Drawings should still be with the council.
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Post by thebfg on Mar 5, 2017 15:17:07 GMT
I've just been lucky to be given this picture. It's of the medieval bridge, you can see the canal companies warehouse on the right but interestingly, you can see the gap that's in the sea wall where it is today but can't make out what it is.
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Post by thebfg on Mar 5, 2017 18:01:51 GMT
Here's another one and it's on this aswell.
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Post by lollygagger on Mar 6, 2017 16:18:56 GMT
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Post by lollygagger on Mar 6, 2017 16:21:00 GMT
Bugger -right site, wrong place. But I'm sure you'll find it. It's the 1870 county map. If it says pay up, zoom out.
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Post by thebfg on Mar 6, 2017 16:51:47 GMT
Bugger -right site, wrong place. But I'm sure you'll find it. It's the 1870 county map. If it says pay up, zoom out. Cheers I will have a butch. I have a real old map but I've tried to hunt it down. It will have the whole canal on it. I can't zoom out of the phone. I will fire the laptop up in the morning and have a look. Thanks. It's getting to the point where whatever it is, I really need to know.
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Post by lollygagger on Mar 6, 2017 16:54:47 GMT
Bugger -right site, wrong place. But I'm sure you'll find it. It's the 1870 county map. If it says pay up, zoom out. Cheers I will have a butch. I have a real old map but I've tried to hunt it down. It will have the whole canal on it. It'clearly marked as old canal and detours around where you wondered if the lock might be. I've had an enjoyable afternoon reading up and looking at old maps.
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Post by thebfg on Mar 6, 2017 17:00:03 GMT
Cheers I will have a butch. I have a real old map but I've tried to hunt it down. It will have the whole canal on it. It'clearly marked as old canal and detours around where you wondered if the lock might be. I've had an enjoyable afternoon reading up and looking at old maps. I know it's great. I've tried to get hold of the two books foxy found but they are not in stock. I'm looking forward to walking it in the summer.
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