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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 23:09:43 GMT
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 17, 2017 23:27:20 GMT
Not only him, but also the Scottish legal bods who decided not to charge him with any crime after he mowed all those folk down having lied on his job application and kept his previous "medical events" secret from his new employers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 0:12:48 GMT
Not only him, but also the Scottish legal bods who decided not to charge him with any crime after he mowed all those folk down having lied on his job application and kept his previous "medical events" secret from his new employers. Yes, no doubt about that!
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Post by thebfg on Feb 18, 2017 1:16:12 GMT
I agree with the sentiment.
What I can't get from the article is:
1.) Is he driving now after the 12 months was up.
2,) why has it taken so long to bring it to court. Caught in 2015.
3.) Why can't the original victims families bring a private prosecution against him/insurance company or his empolyer
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 7:31:06 GMT
1 = Harry Clarke, 60, had his licence withdrawn for medical reasons in the months following the bin lorry crash on 22 December 2014. He pleaded guilty to driving a car nine months later, despite knowing he was unfit to drive. 2 = Dunno! 3 = Rejecting the appeal for private prosecutions, Lord Justice Clerk Lady Dorrian, along with Lord Menzies and Lord Drummond Young, said the Crown Office had applied the correct test on the legal requirements of charges of dangerous driving. Lady Dorrian said: "In our view the test of exceptionality would require to show that the lord advocate's decision not to prosecute had to be viewed in the circumstances as an egregious or outrageous failure in the exercise of his public duty in the circumstances. "It is quite difficult to conceive of circumstances in which the court would pass a bill where the lord advocate had examined and investigated the circumstances of the case and concluded as a matter of informed judgment that the whole tenor and weight of the evidence did not justify prosecution." The Lords and Lady seem to be on a different planet. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38255436
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Post by patty on Feb 18, 2017 8:10:51 GMT
'Lords and Lady"perhaps can be seen to be members of an elite club far removed from realities of Joe Public.. Based on the facts in the article justice has not been seen to be done for these families. Another example of a legal system that is failing those it's supposed to protect... I lost faith in rights of'Justice' sometime ago... Those who reap real rewards of justice are those who harvest money from their victims.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 18, 2017 8:46:45 GMT
1 = Harry Clarke, 60, had his licence withdrawn for medical reasons in the months following the bin lorry crash on 22 December 2014. He pleaded guilty to driving a car nine months later, despite knowing he was unfit to drive. Cheers gazza, but if I may the article continues and says, "Clarke's licence had been revoked for 12 months on 27 June 2015" So what happened after 12 months? My misses had hers revoked after fainting whilst driving down the M271. fortunately for her there is a sharp bend at the end and the car was stopped by skidding down the armco barrier. After a week in hospital they couldn't find the cause and after not having a repeat for 6 months she was cleared to drive again.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 18, 2017 8:58:06 GMT
There was a helicopter crash off Shetland a few years ago, 4 passengers drowned in the ensuing bobbing about in the water. The pilots were at fault /made significant mistakes but they did their best and weren't negligent - perhaps just unlucky and/or incompetent. Certainly they took no deliberate action to endanger their passengers. Not the company I worked for BTW. Historically pilots tend not to face criminal prosecutions unless there is clear recklessness but there was concern that as a backlash to the failure to prosecute the bin lorry driver - something the SNP government got a lot of stick for - that these pilots might well face prosecution for "political reasons". I was asked to help prepare some defence material which I did, in my case for the copilot who was only recently qualified and pretty inexperienced. Well so far touch wood nothing has happened but then again they haven't been officially told they won't face prosecution. The captain probably won't go back to flying anyway, but the copilot's career is on hold seemingly in perpetuity. So the fat fucker has affected people's lives beyond those he hit and their relatives.
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Post by faffer on Feb 18, 2017 9:02:33 GMT
WTF is wrong with people nowadays.
For a start the scum want putting down as he has no respect for anyone but him, then the morons that let him get away with it.
I looked at the link and read the first few paragraphs and I stopped as these things piss me off big time. I read enough.
It happens to much wiht vehicle accidents, multiple crashes and the driver gets barley and punishment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 9:14:01 GMT
1 = Harry Clarke, 60, had his licence withdrawn for medical reasons in the months following the bin lorry crash on 22 December 2014. He pleaded guilty to driving a car nine months later, despite knowing he was unfit to drive. Cheers gazza, but if I may the article continues and says, "Clarke's licence had been revoked for 12 months on 27 June 2015" So what happened after 12 months? My misses had hers revoked after fainting whilst driving down the M271. fortunately for her there is a sharp bend at the end and the car was stopped by skidding down the armco barrier. After a week in hospital they couldn't find the cause and after not having a repeat for 6 months she was cleared to drive again. The incident occurred on the 20th September 2015, so 3 months after his licence had been suspended. Sloppy BBC headline grabbing. As for his being able to obtain his licence after 12 months have elapsed I have no idea. Based on his previous history of blacking out (and lying about it!) he should be banned from driving for life
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 9:16:42 GMT
WTF is wrong with people nowadays. For a start the scum want putting down as he has no respect for anyone but him, then the morons that let him get away with it. I looked at the link and read the first few paragraphs and I stopped as these things piss me off big time. I read enough. It happens to much wiht vehicle accidents, multiple crashes and the driver gets barley and punishment. I couldn't imagine having the death of a person on my conscience - let alone multiple people in those circumstances. Without having met the bloke, but, seeing his total disregard for the potential to harm or kill at the wheel with his medical background it's probably fair to say he's a selfish orrible cant!
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Post by patty on Feb 18, 2017 9:35:27 GMT
A doctor should have to give him a certificate of fitness to drive based on his medical record....... If based on fact and PMH of black outs he should be banned for life....this fact should then be logged at the DVLA. Doctors have duty of care to ensure their decisions do not cause harm to life. Well thats my opinion..
my neighbours years ago was told by his GP not fit to drive..this fact not passed on to the DVLA...I went to his GP as I was looking after him, my neighbour had severe dementia. The GP told me he'd told 'the silly old fool he couldn't drive' but he didn't see it as his duty to tell the DVLA.. I wrote to the DVLA, who in their turn contacted my neighbour to inform him he had to have a medical certificate of fitness to drive..he ignored letter..they followed it up rapidly with advice they would get the police to visit and Bill then gave up his licence. It was tough thing to do but he was not safe..my fear was he would kill someone. I had tried contacting his insurance companyto seek their advice but they declined to do anything about it. People pass the buck and shelve responsibility all to often
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 18, 2017 9:39:14 GMT
Perhaps he should be hanged? But who can find his neck??
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 18, 2017 10:19:10 GMT
I'm not condoning anything he's done, but one of the big differences between accidents on the road and accidents on the railway is that with the latter, the inquiry looks at the wider issues rather than simply playing "blame the driver". Possibly Clarke withheld information about his medical condition because there would be no state aid available to him on the grounds of ill health, the DWP seem to take the attitude nowadays that if you can press a button, then you are capable of work, despite there being an absence of jobs for button-pressers. One of the lessons which should be learned is that there should be no incentive for such a person to withhold such information.
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Post by Phil on Feb 18, 2017 20:03:08 GMT
Not only him, but also the Scottish legal bods who decided not to charge him with any crime after he mowed all those folk down having lied on his job application and kept his previous "medical events" secret from his new employers. I have to say I don't understand this. Whilst it may not be possible to prosecute for the driving, he did withhold information to gain employment which in England would be covered by the fraud act. I know Scottish law is different but I would have thought there is comparable legislation.
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