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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 18, 2017 20:15:04 GMT
Not only him, but also the Scottish legal bods who decided not to charge him with any crime after he mowed all those folk down having lied on his job application and kept his previous "medical events" secret from his new employers. I have to say I don't understand this. Whilst it may not be possible to prosecute for the driving, he did withhold information to gain employment which in England would be covered by the fraud act. I know Scottish law is different but I would have thought there is comparable legislation. The core problem is that he didn't disclose medical information to the DVLA because if he had, his HGV licence may have been revoked, and he would then have been unable to earn a living, and also unable to claim benefits since he is 1) White, 2) Male and 3) Working class. What he should have done is to have surrendered his licence, put black boot polish all over his face, then gone down the dole office and said "Howdydoodere, I've just arrived from Somalia" and he would have been sorted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 21:01:10 GMT
I have to say I don't understand this. Whilst it may not be possible to prosecute for the driving, he did withhold information to gain employment which in England would be covered by the fraud act. I know Scottish law is different but I would have thought there is comparable legislation. The core problem is that he didn't disclose medical information to the DVLA because if he had, his HGV licence may have been revoked, and he would then have been unable to earn a living, and also unable to claim benefits since he is 1) White, 2) Male and 3) Working class. What he should have done is to have surrendered his licence, put black boot polish all over his face, then gone down the dole office and said "Howdydoodere, I've just arrived from Somalia" and he would have been sorted. Bollocks - there are day's when you do spout some utter shite. He should have packed in driving, the risk was too great - which is why 7 people lost their lives for his selfishness and arrogance. He seemed to not waste away nor br living in a doorway after their deaths when he wasn't employed as a professional driver. You know, the highly skilled and trained knights of the road, or am I getting confused with Yorkie bar munching bigots? The word you are looking for to describe him isn't unfortunate - try cunt instead.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 18, 2017 21:29:05 GMT
As I said earlier, I'm not condoning his actions, and I didn't actually describe him as "unfortunate"- perhaps you are getting confused with another post?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 21:34:52 GMT
I didn't say you condoned him, the quote I posted is the correct one. Suggesting he would have been better to have been a Somali (more fortunate in getting benefits..) Implies he was unfortunate to be a working class white man caught in the system.
He wasn't, he was a cunt for ignoring and lying about his fitness to drive prior to killing those seven people, he then confirmed himself as a super cunt when he got behind the wheel of his corsa 3 months after having his entitlement to drive revoked.
Immigration and benefits have fuck all to do with it, it's a very tenuous straw you are grasping at there.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 18, 2017 21:45:19 GMT
Who's to say he wouldent of been shuffled into an office anyway.
He was a council worker wasent he. They might of looked after him
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 18, 2017 22:07:09 GMT
He wasn't, he was a cunt for ignoring and lying about his fitness to drive prior to killing those seven people, he then confirmed himself as a super cunt when he got behind the wheel of his corsa 3 months after having his entitlement to drive revoked. Quite possibly you are right, although I will just point out that there are thousands of narrowboaters who should not be on the system, since standard narrowboat insurance policies require that the insured is obliged to inform the insurer of any medical condition which is notifiable to DVLA, and this includes taking many medications for depression, back pain, high blood pressure etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 22:28:33 GMT
He wasn't, he was a cunt for ignoring and lying about his fitness to drive prior to killing those seven people, he then confirmed himself as a super cunt when he got behind the wheel of his corsa 3 months after having his entitlement to drive revoked. Quite possibly you are right, although I will just point out that there are thousands of narrowboaters who should not be on the system, since standard narrowboat insurance policies require that the insured is obliged to inform the insurer of any medical condition which is notifiable to DVLA, and this includes taking many medications for depression, back pain, high blood pressure etc. Have you been watching speed 2, cruise control for inspiration? I can see it now, Speed 3, chaos on the Coventry. Despite your fears, an out of control narrow boat isn't going to career down the high street flattening unsuspecting shoppers.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 18, 2017 22:36:12 GMT
Quite possibly you are right, although I will just point out that there are thousands of narrowboaters who should not be on the system, since standard narrowboat insurance policies require that the insured is obliged to inform the insurer of any medical condition which is notifiable to DVLA, and this includes taking many medications for depression, back pain, high blood pressure etc. Despite your fears, an out of control narrow boat isn't going to career down the high street flattening unsuspecting shoppers. I presume that the person in question did not anticipate that this would be the consequence of his actions, but I can see that you are somewhat animated by this story, and while I empathise with that, I think I have nothing further to add to this thread, and will therefore leave you to it.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 18, 2017 22:38:45 GMT
(edited - as an example of self-moderation. Now, there ya go, Thunderboat is making me a better person ) (sorry guys, you will have to remove those 'likes')
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 22:45:20 GMT
Despite your fears, an out of control narrow boat isn't going to career down the high street flattening unsuspecting shoppers. I presume that the person in question did not anticipate that this would be the consequence of his actions, but I can see that you are somewhat animated by this story, and while I empathise with that, I think I have nothing further to add to this thread, and will therefore leave you to it. I wouldn't be too sure, have a read of this www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-33702639You'd have to be an utterly thick twat to not be able to grasp the consequences of passing out at the wheel of a bus or other HGV. Animated is a bit strong! Do you drivers have a secret organisation that protects each other, even the unsavoury members - a bit like the black rats in the plod?
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Post by JohnV on Feb 18, 2017 22:48:59 GMT
Quite possibly you are right, although I will just point out that there are thousands of narrowboaters who should not be on the system, since standard narrowboat insurance policies require that the insured is obliged to inform the insurer of any medical condition which is notifiable to DVLA, and this includes taking many medications for depression, back pain, high blood pressure etc. I can see it now, Speed 3, chaos on the Coventry. Despite your fears, an out of control narrow boat isn't going to career down the high street flattening unsuspecting shoppers.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 18, 2017 22:50:39 GMT
Don't look at me - I'm all for safety. I have wondered how bus drivers who have had heart attacks, and/or operations on their hearts/arteries, are allowed back to drive buses. Once you've been stabbed by The Finger of Death it's time to hang up those car keys. I also think it's wrong for drivers who have reached retirement age to carry on for a few years - they're denying a younger person to have a job. Ask me again about this when I'm 65 and skint
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 22:50:42 GMT
I can see it now, Speed 3, chaos on the Coventry. Despite your fears, an out of control narrow boat isn't going to career down the high street flattening unsuspecting shoppers. Epic!!
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Post by thebfg on Feb 18, 2017 23:02:06 GMT
I've just re read the article. It doesn't make any sense. It could look like the authorities are going to throw the book at him for this. I suspect he is a marked man.
I've been at Google on this. He pleading guilty to a charge of culpable and reckless driving but his plea of not guilty for dangerous driving and proving false info to insurers was accepted.
He's been warned to bring a toothbrush.
But all this because a neighbour has said he drove. That's all the evidence I can see against him. Anyone else I'd be screaming at the justice system but this man deserves it.
I did not find anything on the charge but culpable and reckless (minus the driving) has no statuary definition. I hope they use this as it carries a maximum sentance of life in prison, although the sheriffs court has less powers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 23:09:07 GMT
(edited - as an example of self-moderation. Now, there ya go, Thunderboat is making me a better person ) (sorry guys, you will have to remove those 'likes') You can keep mine, your subsequent edit is worth a thumbs up anyway.
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