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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 10:37:59 GMT
I had a feeling this was correct, so in the case of an unmarried couple with children (minors) who are happy together, one dies, the deceased adul'st next of kin would then take over the responsibility of funeral arrangements etc unless there were strict instructions (lasting power of attorney etc) in place to prevent that being the default. It would depend upon the relatives, many would (and do) let the partner get on with it, it depends upon the "dynamics" of the relationship between the relatives and the partner. A will appointing executors would solve this. Lasting Powers of Attorney end on death so it would be the executor of relative that would be in charge. Basically, and I'm going to shout, IF YOU'RE COHABITING YOU NEED TO MAKE A WILL, YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! There, I feel better now. Thanks for that. We've got go start thinking about the LPA for my Dad and mother in law, along with getting them both to update their wills, been a couple of additions to the family, and one notable exiled son! I hate bringing it up with my Dad, last time was when he had an Aortic Artery bypass - I always feel like I'm holding the Grim Reapers hand when I broach the subject with him! Mum and dad divorced 33 years ago, he's no partner to consider, and to be honest, I have no clue what his current wishes are when he snuffs it. Mother in law is estranged but not divorced from her husband, they parted ways 13 years ago, that is a long and involved story which I won't go into online, but, suffice to say hell will freeze over before he has any contact with us again! Funny how death is still such a taboo subject.
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Post by dyertribe on Feb 22, 2017 10:42:51 GMT
I'm sure my children would have a claim as dependents and thats right and proper obviously but I don't see how other family members can be involved unless they are explicitly mentioned in a will. Children cannot be expected to arrange funerals - if you are not married (or in a civil partnership) you are not your partners next of kin. Imagine you've had a massive falling out with your partners family, your partner dies, her family absolutely refuse to allow you to be involved with or at her funeral. The children don't come into it as they are minors. one way around that is a Pre Paid Funeral Plan. You pay for your funeral at today's prices (funerals have increased by 6.6% per annum over the last 10 years), you choose the Funeral director and can, if you wish, arrange everything down to the hymns and flowers beforehand.
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Post by dyertribe on Feb 22, 2017 10:44:08 GMT
I am NOT touting for business but if anyone wants to ask anything privately please feel free to PM me. Alyson
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 10:52:29 GMT
I am NOT touting for business but if anyone wants to ask anything privately please feel free to PM me. Alyson I think Magnetman has some useful pointers now, always good to kick the can about a bit. Approaching 40 and with a dwarf in tow it's getting on time my wife and I also made our wishes clear and put arrangements in place for our daughter should the worst happen - but!; we are not that old!, it wont happen to us!.... I may well take you up on your offer in the near future.
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Post by patty on Feb 22, 2017 11:07:49 GMT
I sorted out all my stuff and once its done you can breathe easy....I divorced and although I know he couldn't claim off my estate and I did not want perceived debts of one child to him being seized from my assets should he out live me. I wanted my bloodline only to benefit....I feel I have achieved that. Our family torn apart by events of the past few years and the only way to protect those you love is to get your will and wishes sorted out legally...age is no barrier to the grim reaper.
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Post by dyertribe on Feb 22, 2017 11:15:43 GMT
I sorted out all my stuff and once its done you can breathe easy....I divorced and although I know he couldn't claim off my estate and I did not want perceived debts of one child to him being seized from my assets should he out live me. I wanted my bloodline only to benefit....I feel I have achieved that. Our family torn apart by events of the past few years and the only way to protect those you love is to get your will and wishes sorted out legally...age is no barrier to the grim reaper. Wot she said!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 11:47:25 GMT
I'm sure my children would have a claim as dependents and thats right and proper obviously but I don't see how other family members can be involved unless they are explicitly mentioned in a will. Children cannot be expected to arrange funerals - if you are not married (or in a civil partnership) you are not your partners next of kin. Imagine you've had a massive falling out with your partners family, your partner dies, her family absolutely refuse to allow you to be involved with or at her funeral. The children don't come into it as they are minors. We are getting onto a different topic now. Nick (telemachus) stated earlier in the thread that if my other half who I am not married to died tomorrow then her relatives would have a claim to half of my personal assets. Other than my children (if they were adults) I don't think this is the case. I'm not that bothered about funeral arrangements as funerals are a charade anyway. thanks dyertribe yes I do have children. 2. Same mum.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 11:54:45 GMT
Children cannot be expected to arrange funerals - if you are not married (or in a civil partnership) you are not your partners next of kin. Imagine you've had a massive falling out with your partners family, your partner dies, her family absolutely refuse to allow you to be involved with or at her funeral. The children don't come into it as they are minors. We are getting onto a different topic now. Nick (telemachus) stated earlier in the thread that if my other half who I am not married to died tomorrow then her relatives would have a claim to half of my personal assets. Other than my children (if they were adults) I don't think this is the case. I'm not that bothered about funeral arrangements as funerals are a charade anyway. thanks dyertribe yes I do have children. 2. Same mum. Oh, I didnt read it like that, I read it they would have a claim on your partners estate, not yours. As for funerals, we've all got to be disposed of, surely you would want to go under your own wishes rather than that of others? Charade isn't the word I'd use, keep the religion out of it and it should be a celebration of a life well lived.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 12:02:41 GMT
I've been with the the mother of my children for nearly 8 years. We have decided to have an "uncivil partnership" as being straight we can't have a civil one. (she's a nightmare to live with - i'm a nightmare to live with so the term fits anyway. Not sure if this is legally allowed but I don't give a shit to be honest. She'll always be my woman I'll always be her man. The institution of marriage is something I am deeply cynical about but that probably comes from my parents' high conflict divorce when I was 12 and my fathers subsequent remarriage Yeabut put the psychobabble and antiestablishmentarianism aside, it all comes back to security when one of you is incapacitated, how will you feel if her family tell you to fuck off as she lies unconscious in hospital? And then they send the bailiffs round demanding half of all your things after she dies? I see what you mean gazza assuming we have shared assets but as we don't I read it differently!
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Post by dyertribe on Feb 22, 2017 12:29:44 GMT
Actually it can be cheaper to make a will than not to....... A will costs around £120. If you have no assets such as a house which means that you will need probate (if you have a will) or a Grant of Administration (if you do not have a will), and your money in the bank is less than £50K (depends upon the bank so this amount can vary) then most banks on sight of a valid will and id of the executor(s) will pay out the money without asking for probate/GoA. Probate or Grant of Administration costs £217. So that's when it is cheaper to have a will than not!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 12:56:45 GMT
Thats interesting. My mother died about 18 months ago and the solicitors are still making money out if it because property has not sold yet. Solicitors fees will be about £6k or something stupid, for a total estate value of about £300k (flat+investments) Totally ridiculous !
I will look into making a will. I know life can end before you expect it to for one reason or another so probably best to sort it out on paper to help out those left behind and hopefully save them some money.
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Post by dyertribe on Feb 22, 2017 13:25:41 GMT
I can send you a sheet with "things to think about when making your will " if it would help.
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Post by dyertribe on Feb 22, 2017 13:27:24 GMT
Thats interesting. My mother died about 18 months ago and the solicitors are still making money out if it because property has not sold yet. Solicitors fees will be about £6k or something stupid, for a total estate value of about £300k (flat+investments) Totally ridiculous ! I will look into making a will. I know life can end before you expect it to for one reason or another so probably best to sort it out on paper to help out those left behind and hopefully save them some money. Don't get me started on solicitors and probate! it takes a long time with them to justify the fees and they charge a % (usually) of the estate regardless of the amount of work needed.
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Post by dyertribe on Feb 22, 2017 13:27:47 GMT
Thats interesting. My mother died about 18 months ago and the solicitors are still making money out if it because property has not sold yet. Solicitors fees will be about £6k or something stupid, for a total estate value of about £300k (flat+investments) Totally ridiculous ! I will look into making a will. I know life can end before you expect it to for one reason or another so probably best to sort it out on paper to help out those left behind and hopefully save them some money. Don't get me started on solicitors and probate! it takes a long time with them to justify the fees and they charge a % (usually) of the estate regardless of the amount of work needed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 14:00:10 GMT
I can send you a sheet with "things to think about when making your will " if it would help. Thats very kind. Will pm you. Ta
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