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Post by peterboat on May 31, 2017 23:25:16 GMT
Pardon? what about all the stuff involving the IRA everytime he opens his mouth he lies about it he supported them in as he saw it the overthrow of the legitimate government!! years ago it would have been traitors gate for him and a very short back and sides!!! Well Corbyn claims he was just trying to be friendly to help the peace process...which actually worked. It's the elite spin merchants who have exaggerated it as part is f their smear campaign against him. The interesting thing is that other than Paxman, no body is pointing out the lies from the other quarter. Anyway, I've changed my mind now. I reckon there will be a big turn out on voting day. The British public has seen through all the bullshit as they did for Brexit. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. He had nowt to do with the peace process, he called the security forces legitimate targets in the fight for freedom! for christs sake they are the minority [catolics in NI] whats kneecaping bombing and murdering got to do with democracy, in fact the IRA were only ever in it for the money they ran drugs and prostitutes!! they didnt give two shits for anybody but themselves!! And before you ask I did over 3 years in NI and saw just fine how it all worked, OK I was the in the ARMY, but believe me the IRA didnt care who died as long as they got the dosh, bastard gangsters nothing more!! and that shit Corbyn and abbot was involved with them aresholes that they are Anyway you will more than likely be very disappointed on June the 9th when Mrs May doesnt move out and if she does belive me in a couple of years when the countries bankrupt blame yourself for voting for him Anyway if she doesnt win I taking my ball home so there
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 3:35:41 GMT
Well Corbyn claims he was just trying to be friendly to help the peace process...which actually worked. It's the elite spin merchants who have exaggerated it as part is f their smear campaign against him. The interesting thing is that other than Paxman, no body is pointing out the lies from the other quarter. Anyway, I've changed my mind now. I reckon there will be a big turn out on voting day. The British public has seen through all the bullshit as they did for Brexit. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. He had nowt to do with the peace process, he called the security forces legitimate targets in the fight for freedom! for christs sake they are the minority [catolics in NI] whats kneecaping bombing and murdering got to do with democracy, in fact the IRA were only ever in it for the money they ran drugs and prostitutes!! they didnt give two shits for anybody but themselves!! And before you ask I did over 3 years in NI and saw just fine how it all worked, OK I was the in the ARMY, but believe me the IRA didnt care who died as long as they got the dosh, bastard gangsters nothing more!! and that shit Corbyn and abbot was involved with them aresholes that they are Anyway you will more than likely be very disappointed on June the 9th when Mrs May doesnt move out and if she does belive me in a couple of years when the countries bankrupt blame yourself for voting for him Anyway if she doesnt win I taking my ball home so there Without having people prepared to sit with 'the enemy' (whoever that might be) and try to be open minded there would be no peace process. Your post is an interesting insight into the corruption which went on in NI over 30 years ago though. I guess it sheds a different light on things when you've been up and personal with it. I think the general population is more concerned with what's happening now. They are getting fed up with the way their lives are being dictated and controlled by the elite classes. Corbyn for his faults, is the only person who seems prepared to deal with this. As a result I'm sure a lot of money and energy is being used to smear him. As a very large proportion of the voting public are too young to remember much about the troubles in Ni, I doubt Corbyn's part in it will be seen as a major factor. The same younger generation are fed up with being in debt and having little prospect of buying their own house or having a decent pension. The ever increasing percentage of pensioners (many who fought for our security) are fed up with being stitched up by the Tories. So in the same way the Brexit vote was very much a protest against European control freaks. This election may turn out to be a protest against the controlling elite here. BTW, I don't necessarily have a problem with people having lots of money. It's what you do with it and how you acquired it. As I said, there is good and bad in everything but the monetary system is very much THE tool in the control game. Either way, this will be an interesting one
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 1, 2017 7:02:19 GMT
Reads Private Eye, shows intelligence. Conervatives show how to treat the Working Class.
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Post by JohnV on Jun 1, 2017 8:01:52 GMT
bugger .... that went well wrong !!! Oi !!! t'internet just ate my post !!!
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Post by peterboat on Jun 1, 2017 8:21:32 GMT
Reads Private Eye, shows intelligence. Conervatives show how to treat the Working Class. The only reason he is sat in the corridor is because the thick twat didnt book a seat!! it was on the tinternet at the time staged as everything he does is
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 8:34:00 GMT
Reads Private Eye, shows intelligence. Conervatives show how to treat the Working Class. The only reason he is sat in the corridor is because the thick twat didnt book a seat!! it was on the tinternet at the time staged as everything he does is Do I get the impression you don't like him then?
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Post by peterboat on Jun 1, 2017 10:08:01 GMT
The only reason he is sat in the corridor is because the thick twat didnt book a seat!! it was on the tinternet at the time staged as everything he does is Do I get the impression you don't like him then? He was happy for british soldiers to be killed by the so called freedom fighters of the IRA [5% minority in NI] I get the feeling that if he was PM the soldiers that had served there might be in real trouble with the courts. Having said that a lot are special forces/ex special forces so I am sure the problem would go away very fast!! So its not a case of not liking him I just dont trust the traitorous git because that in the end is what he is
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 21:34:54 GMT
Do I get the impression you don't like him then? He was happy for british soldiers to be killed by the so called freedom fighters of the IRA [5% minority in NI] I get the feeling that if he was PM the soldiers that had served there might be in real trouble with the courts. Having said that a lot are special forces/ex special forces so I am sure the problem would go away very fast!! So its not a case of not liking him I just dont trust the traitorous git because that in the end is what he is I doubt very much that he was 'happy' that British soldiers got killed. The fact remains that 30 years later there is peace in NI and most people there have moved on. I know there is a world of difference between giving opinions on an Internet forum in the luxury of hindsight and, being involved head on at the time of the troubles, so I do respect your opinion and views. Regarding our soldiers being held to account for their actions. We live in times where leaders don't seem to lead from the front. They just give orders and expect soldiers to do their duty and folllow the orders. Would it be true to say that if they didn't follow orders then maybe they should be held accountable for any dodgy actions? In the same way, if the dodgy actions were as a result of being given dodgy orders, then surely the soldier can't be held responsible and the commander should be held accountable? I suppose then it might be difficult to prove and it's the soldiers word against the commanding officer. Anyway as I said, hindsight is a luxury most people didn't have at the time so I think they should just let it go. I've not seen anything which shows Corbyn would push for investigations that far back unless I've missed something.
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Post by gigoguy on Jun 1, 2017 21:47:42 GMT
Do I get the impression you don't like him then? He was happy for british soldiers to be killed by the so called freedom fighters of the IRA [5% minority in NI] I get the feeling that if he was PM the soldiers that had served there might be in real trouble with the courts. Having said that a lot are special forces/ex special forces so I am sure the problem would go away very fast!! So its not a case of not liking him I just dont trust the traitorous git because that in the end is what he is One of the problems with soldiers is that they are only taught to fight. They are never told why they are fighting. In fact they can get into very serious trouble for even asking such a question. The British have been trying to 'hammer' their rule of NI for over 400 years. Then a group of middle class kids from red brick uni's got in government and thought. Hey guy's why don't we talk to these people? Maybe we can sort it all out. Now there are a load of old soldiers who can't handle the fact that they were fighting an unjust war, against a free nation state. They were in fact an invading force. I don't think Corbyn had a great lot to do with the Good Friday Agreement in person. Not as much as Thatcher did in sending thousands of young lads into danger and many to their death, for her own interests. I've done my soldiering and I never agreed with our actions in NI. It's far from perfect now. I was in Belfast only a few weeks ago and yes there's no soldiers at the doors of C&A anymore, but you still know which streets are safe and which aren't. It's not unpatriotic to say you don't agree with a governments military intervention. Is it unpatriotic to say Blair was wrong to invade Iraq?
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Post by JohnV on Jun 2, 2017 6:36:14 GMT
He was happy for british soldiers to be killed by the so called freedom fighters of the IRA [5% minority in NI] I get the feeling that if he was PM the soldiers that had served there might be in real trouble with the courts. Having said that a lot are special forces/ex special forces so I am sure the problem would go away very fast!! So its not a case of not liking him I just dont trust the traitorous git because that in the end is what he is One of the problems with soldiers is that they are only taught to fight. They are never told why they are fighting. In fact they can get into very serious trouble for even asking such a question. The British have been trying to 'hammer' their rule of NI for over 400 years. Then a group of middle class kids from red brick uni's got in government and thought. Hey guy's why don't we talk to these people? Maybe we can sort it all out. Now there are a load of old soldiers who can't handle the fact that they were fighting an unjust war, against a free nation state. They were in fact an invading force. I don't think Corbyn had a great lot to do with the Good Friday Agreement in person. Not as much as Thatcher did in sending thousands of young lads into danger and many to their death, for her own interests. I've done my soldiering and I never agreed with our actions in NI. It's far from perfect now. I was in Belfast only a few weeks ago and yes there's no soldiers at the doors of C&A anymore, but you still know which streets are safe and which aren't. It's not unpatriotic to say you don't agree with a governments military intervention. Is it unpatriotic to say Blair was wrong to invade Iraq? Hmmmm !!! I think you are being deliberately unfair and ignoring the reason the army went into NI. Ulster was a very discriminatory place with deeply unfair practices where a growing equal rights campaign was opposed by an establishment that was entrenched in an anti Catholic stance. Originally sent in to guard installations from what at the time were believed to be IRA bombs (later shown to be UDF? deliberately trying to provoke such action) They were only deployed in number after the battle of the Bogside and that was to protect the (largely catholic) campaign for equal rights and the general catholic population areas from the UDA UVF. Replacing the RUC in many jobs because of that forces both actual and perceived involvement with "Loyalist" organisations and aims. The fact that it all rapidly went tits up is another matter but to compare it with invasion of another country is frankly boxxocks
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Post by peterboat on Jun 2, 2017 7:51:07 GMT
He was happy for british soldiers to be killed by the so called freedom fighters of the IRA [5% minority in NI] I get the feeling that if he was PM the soldiers that had served there might be in real trouble with the courts. Having said that a lot are special forces/ex special forces so I am sure the problem would go away very fast!! So its not a case of not liking him I just dont trust the traitorous git because that in the end is what he is One of the problems with soldiers is that they are only taught to fight. They are never told why they are fighting. In fact they can get into very serious trouble for even asking such a question. The British have been trying to 'hammer' their rule of NI for over 400 years. Then a group of middle class kids from red brick uni's got in government and thought. Hey guy's why don't we talk to these people? Maybe we can sort it all out. Now there are a load of old soldiers who can't handle the fact that they were fighting an unjust war, against a free nation state. They were in fact an invading force. I don't think Corbyn had a great lot to do with the Good Friday Agreement in person. Not as much as Thatcher did in sending thousands of young lads into danger and many to their death, for her own interests. I've done my soldiering and I never agreed with our actions in NI. It's far from perfect now. I was in Belfast only a few weeks ago and yes there's no soldiers at the doors of C&A anymore, but you still know which streets are safe and which aren't. It's not unpatriotic to say you don't agree with a governments military intervention. Is it unpatriotic to say Blair was wrong to invade Iraq NI is part of the UK its is very much orientated to remaining NI so why should the 5% that wanted to be part of Ireland get their way? thats why we fought there, and they were never freedom fighters they were always gangsters after the money! Ask yourself who ran the black cabs and why? it was to run drugs and prostitutes
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Post by peterboat on Jun 2, 2017 7:58:37 GMT
One of the problems with soldiers is that they are only taught to fight. They are never told why they are fighting. In fact they can get into very serious trouble for even asking such a question. The British have been trying to 'hammer' their rule of NI for over 400 years. Then a group of middle class kids from red brick uni's got in government and thought. Hey guy's why don't we talk to these people? Maybe we can sort it all out. Now there are a load of old soldiers who can't handle the fact that they were fighting an unjust war, against a free nation state. They were in fact an invading force. I don't think Corbyn had a great lot to do with the Good Friday Agreement in person. Not as much as Thatcher did in sending thousands of young lads into danger and many to their death, for her own interests. I've done my soldiering and I never agreed with our actions in NI. It's far from perfect now. I was in Belfast only a few weeks ago and yes there's no soldiers at the doors of C&A anymore, but you still know which streets are safe and which aren't. It's not unpatriotic to say you don't agree with a governments military intervention. Is it unpatriotic to say Blair was wrong to invade Iraq? Hmmmm !!! I think you are being deliberately unfair and ignoring the reason the army went into NI. Ulster was a very discriminatory place with deeply unfair practices where a growing equal rights campaign was opposed by an establishment that was entrenched in an anti Catholic stance. Originally sent in to guard installations from what at the time were believed to be IRA bombs (later shown to be UDF? deliberately trying to provoke such action) They were only deployed in number after the battle of the Bogside and that was to protect the (largely catholic) campaign for equal rights and the general catholic population areas from the UDA UVF. Replacing the RUC in many jobs because of that forces both actual and perceived involvement with "Loyalist" organisations and aims. The fact that it all rapidly went tits up is another matter but to compare it with invasion of another country is frankly boxxocks Yes john dead on the button I was there in the 70s and the 80s and had friends who were both left footed and right footed at the barracks we employed civilians and the animosity was plain to see among some of them yet others were best friends. Its people you see nowt as queer as folk and some so easily lead
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Post by gigoguy on Jun 2, 2017 23:08:06 GMT
One of the problems with soldiers is that they are only taught to fight. They are never told why they are fighting. In fact they can get into very serious trouble for even asking such a question. The British have been trying to 'hammer' their rule of NI for over 400 years. Then a group of middle class kids from red brick uni's got in government and thought. Hey guy's why don't we talk to these people? Maybe we can sort it all out. Now there are a load of old soldiers who can't handle the fact that they were fighting an unjust war, against a free nation state. They were in fact an invading force. I don't think Corbyn had a great lot to do with the Good Friday Agreement in person. Not as much as Thatcher did in sending thousands of young lads into danger and many to their death, for her own interests. I've done my soldiering and I never agreed with our actions in NI. It's far from perfect now. I was in Belfast only a few weeks ago and yes there's no soldiers at the doors of C&A anymore, but you still know which streets are safe and which aren't. It's not unpatriotic to say you don't agree with a governments military intervention. Is it unpatriotic to say Blair was wrong to invade Iraq? Hmmmm !!! I think you are being deliberately unfair and ignoring the reason the army went into NI. Ulster was a very discriminatory place with deeply unfair practices where a growing equal rights campaign was opposed by an establishment that was entrenched in an anti Catholic stance. Originally sent in to guard installations from what at the time were believed to be IRA bombs (later shown to be UDF? deliberately trying to provoke such action) They were only deployed in number after the battle of the Bogside and that was to protect the (largely catholic) campaign for equal rights and the general catholic population areas from the UDA UVF. Replacing the RUC in many jobs because of that forces both actual and perceived involvement with "Loyalist" organisations and aims. The fact that it all rapidly went tits up is another matter but to compare it with invasion of another country is frankly boxxocks You can dress it up in all the jingoistic Tory political propaganda you like. And you can blame anyone and everyone else for the troubles. And yes there are and were faults on both sides. Thatcher and Whitelaw wanted that conflict and fanned the flames with the deliberate intent of using the troubles for their own political ends. I do not condone terrorism and although I've never met the man I'm sure I can speak for Jeremy Corbyn when I say he doesn't support it either. But when the country that tries to hold itself up as the most democratic in the world, wont even speak to their own people about a legitimate grievance. I certainly can't support them and question the 'patriotism' of anyone who can did or does.
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Post by JohnV on Jun 3, 2017 6:46:35 GMT
Hmmmm !!! I think you are being deliberately unfair and ignoring the reason the army went into NI. Ulster was a very discriminatory place with deeply unfair practices where a growing equal rights campaign was opposed by an establishment that was entrenched in an anti Catholic stance. Originally sent in to guard installations from what at the time were believed to be IRA bombs (later shown to be UDF? deliberately trying to provoke such action) They were only deployed in number after the battle of the Bogside and that was to protect the (largely catholic) campaign for equal rights and the general catholic population areas from the UDA UVF. Replacing the RUC in many jobs because of that forces both actual and perceived involvement with "Loyalist" organisations and aims. The fact that it all rapidly went tits up is another matter but to compare it with invasion of another country is frankly boxxocks You can dress it up in all the jingoistic Tory political propaganda you like. And you can blame anyone and everyone else for the troubles. And yes there are and were faults on both sides. Thatcher and Whitelaw wanted that conflict and fanned the flames with the deliberate intent of using the troubles for their own political ends. I do not condone terrorism and although I've never met the man I'm sure I can speak for Jeremy Corbyn when I say he doesn't support it either. But when the country that tries to hold itself up as the most democratic in the world, wont even speak to their own people about a legitimate grievance. I certainly can't support them and question the 'patriotism' of anyone who can did or does. You call that a reasoned reply ? my post Jingoistic ? Only in your fevered imagination. You really ought to get out more. Incidentally you need to get your facts right ...... Harold Wilson sent the troops in and the last time I checked, he was a Labour Prime Minister but then never let facts get in the way of a good rant
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 3, 2017 9:46:50 GMT
You can dress it up in all the jingoistic Tory political propaganda you like. And you can blame anyone and everyone else for the troubles. And yes there are and were faults on both sides. Thatcher and Whitelaw wanted that conflict and fanned the flames with the deliberate intent of using the troubles for their own political ends. I do not condone terrorism and although I've never met the man I'm sure I can speak for Jeremy Corbyn when I say he doesn't support it either. But when the country that tries to hold itself up as the most democratic in the world, wont even speak to their own people about a legitimate grievance. I certainly can't support them and question the 'patriotism' of anyone who can did or does. never let facts get in the way of a good rant Seconded!
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