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Post by larkboy on Mar 4, 2017 18:06:54 GMT
Well, the first pre-season test is over and McLaren are looking somewhat behind the curve, the Honda power unit not even scavenging oil properly on the first day or two. How the hell can one of the most technologically advanced motor manufacturers get something as basic as sump design so wrong.... It's so sad to see a driver of Alonso's stature and ability unable to push at the front. No wonder Jensen retired!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 18:17:03 GMT
They are in the doldrums Williams found themselves in. It's such a shame a team with McLaren's pedigree are so far off the pace.
As you say, wtf are Honda up to?!
Here is how Ford went about the job 31 years ago.
Part 2 follows on - you need a couple of hours for both.
There is a Cosworth V6 turbo at the Haynes Motor Museum at Sparkford near Yeovil - it's worth a look in if ever you are down that way..
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Post by JohnV on Mar 5, 2017 8:04:16 GMT
Sparkford is a compulsory rest stop when travelling down to the West Country
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Post by phil70 on Mar 5, 2017 8:46:50 GMT
I well remember working in the first V6 blocks preparing them for destruction testing, it was an interesting time, all kinds of stuff was being tried, like oval pistons and bores for one. Phil
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 15:31:24 GMT
Sparkford is a compulsory rest stop when travelling down to the West Country Β Β I've scrutineered there for the MCC Exeter Trial. It's a strange place at 01:00 poking and prodding bikes and sidecars! Dad and I had a good look round the museum one Easter, we spectated the Lands End Trial a friend was competing in, did the Museum, shot across the boarder for me to do the WTRA Red Kite Rally and if that wasn't enough we went to the Red Marley hill climb in Worcestershire on the way home
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 15:32:49 GMT
I well remember working in the first V6 blocks preparing them for destruction testing, it was an interesting time, all kinds of stuff was being tried, like oval pistons and bores for one. Phil Interesting project to be involved in. Talking of oval pistons. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NR
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Post by larkboy on Mar 5, 2017 20:06:30 GMT
I remember Freddie Spencer racing Hondas NR500 GP bike back in the day....just a little bit too far ahead of its time. If I remember rightly it revved to 26000 rpm and the oval, twin con rod pistons were to give it the same combustion area as a V8, and all normally aspirated.
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Post by tomsk on Mar 5, 2017 21:42:57 GMT
I remember Freddie Spencer racing Hondas NR500 GP bike back in the day....just a little bit too far ahead of its time. If I remember rightly it revved to 26000 rpm and the oval, twin con rod pistons were to give it the same combustion area as a V8, and all normally aspirated. Were they ceramic pistons or am I pissed?
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Post by larkboy on Mar 5, 2017 23:14:47 GMT
I remember Freddie Spencer racing Hondas NR500 GP bike back in the day....just a little bit too far ahead of its time. If I remember rightly it revved to 26000 rpm and the oval, twin con rod pistons were to give it the same combustion area as a V8, and all normally aspirated. Were they ceramic pistons or am I pissed? I wouldn't like to comment on your state of inebriationπ, but I don't think the Pistons were ceramic although they may have had some sort of coating. Again, if memory serves me correctly, the biggest headache was the oval piston rings and the exceptionally high rpm needed to match 2 stroke power for the same engine size. Still, Honda thought enough of it to produce the NR750 road bike in the very early nineties which I think sold for Β£38000 then!!
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Post by larkboy on Mar 5, 2017 23:23:10 GMT
They are in the doldrums Williams found themselves in. It's such a shame a team with McLaren's pedigree are so far off the pace. As you say, wtf are Honda up to?! Here is how Ford went about the job 31 years ago. Part 2 follows on - you need a couple of hours for both. There is a Cosworth V6 turbo at the Haynes Motor Museum at Sparkford near Yeovil - it's worth a look in if ever you are down that way.. I remember looking at an eighties F1 turbo engine at the Donnington collection some years ago and was taken aback at how small it was for such a huge power output. Some of the engines produced 1350 horsepower in qualifying mode, from 1.5 litres!
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Post by phil70 on Mar 6, 2017 0:54:26 GMT
You're right Dave, it's hard to imagine how they squeezed so much out of so little makes our lumps in our boats look positively archaic, mind you what would we do with all those extra horses. Phil
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Post by 46700 on Mar 6, 2017 10:17:16 GMT
I remember Freddie Spencer racing Hondas NR500 GP bike back in the day....just a little bit too far ahead of its time. If I remember rightly it revved to 26000 rpm and the oval, twin con rod pistons were to give it the same combustion area as a V8, and all normally aspirated. Were they ceramic pistons or am I pissed? One of the problems with that motor was the narrow power band IIRC 1500 revs at the most & the power came in with such a bang there was a good chance it would pitch the rider down the track, hence the later " Big Bang " motor with the power coming in more "smoothly" ( joke) & over a wider rev range. The 500cc 4 cylinder 2smokes were capable of producing so much power they were more or less unrideable, nowadays the rev limiters, traction control, soft ware mapping, means that what you do with the twist grip possibly doesn't equate to what the "gismos"allow to be delivered to the rear wheel. I'm led to understand Moto Gp bikes with out this kit would be unrideable
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Post by cuthound on Mar 7, 2017 16:15:16 GMT
Another Honda PU failure again today, necessitating an engine change terms 34 laps.
Until they can sort the reliability of the engine, they cannot optimise the chassis or aero settings.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 18:32:23 GMT
Another Honda PU failure again today, necessitating an engine change terms 34 laps. Until they can sort the reliability of the engine, they cannot optimise the chassis or aero settings. I wonder how much engine development and testing is allowed on the dyno in the factory? It looks for all the world like Honda knocked this lump up in a potting shed two weeks before preseason testing started!
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Post by cuthound on Mar 11, 2017 17:03:40 GMT
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