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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 18:30:00 GMT
I filled up with one of the diesel boats this week, and was chatting to Mark the proprietor. He hopes/believes that once the Brexit negotiations are finalised (so some years away) the issue of duty on red diesel for boating will be resolved. His view is that the government will not wish to turn away an income stream, no matter how small, so a standard rate of duty will be applied and the paperwork involved will be eased at a stroke.There are far too many boating businesses engaged with red diesel across the country to simply shut them down. I suspect he's right. Or maybe that should be I hope he's right. The issue with the refrigeration units is their urban location and being subsidised. Rog They are stinky noisy horrible things. We have two Carrier Transicold 20' container units to keep our pipe liners from curing before they are installed. They have an unsilenced Kubota v2203 running a genset (which in turn powers the refrigeration unit) absolutely no pollution Control - no egr (as per marine installations - including Nick's Hudson!) so the NOx is higher than your average modern diesel. It's not an easy nut to crack, there needs to be vandal proof 3 phase electric available to power refers in place where trucks regularly stop, including at the supermarkets they deliver to. The fact they run on red and the threat of removing that benefit is a convenient environmental stick to beat the hauliers with. As there's no viable alternative at the moment all that will happen is costs get passed on to you and me, the end consumer.
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Post by Gone on Mar 10, 2017 20:11:47 GMT
I've got one of those - very good, but a bit slow. My wife says I have a good wrist action to get it working, I think she is being rude.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 14, 2017 8:33:25 GMT
Two points here.
Refrigerated trailers use red diesel because the fuel is not used for propulsion- white diesel is known as DERV which stands for "Diesel Engine Road Vehicle".
Any increase in cost incurred by hauliers will just get passed on to this furious public.
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Post by pearley on Mar 14, 2017 8:36:40 GMT
Two points here. Refrigerated trailers use red diesel because the fuel is not used for propulsion- white diesel is known as DERV which stands for "Diesel Engine Road Vehicle". Any increase in cost incurred by hauliers will just get passed on to this furious public. Not just hauliers. If no red diesel then construction vehicles will also be using higher cost road diesel. How much extra would that add to the bill for HS2?
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 14, 2017 8:37:50 GMT
If it helped to kickstart realistic electric drive systems for boats it'd be good news. Just like aeroplanes that will fly on electricity. New York here we come! Oh, run out already on the runway at Heathrow.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 14, 2017 8:43:33 GMT
[new diesels kill people better than old diesels because the particulate matter passes through the lungs and into the bloodstream]so I would expect those newer diesels to be banned/charged in a couple of years
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 14, 2017 8:47:36 GMT
.....and we all have to move onto duty paid diesel which will lead to a lot more spillage into the canal as small sellers will not be able to compete with the supermarkets and many boaters will start using jerry cans. More proof that people are not really concerned about the environment, just their own pockets. Yes, how about emissions tests for boats? - how many we have seen pumping out blue smoke because the piston rings have gone! I mean, we're all concerned about 'The Environment', right?
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 14, 2017 8:51:10 GMT
Another argument why constant moorers in London should not move....... On a more serious note, red diesel might just be banned for all uses and we all have to move onto duty paid diesel which will lead to a lot more spillage into the canal as small sellers will not be able to compete with the supermarkets and many boaters will start using jerry cans. Bearing in mind you have to get it from a supermarket to the boat?? How many are conveniently close to the cut?? Can't get much closer! That's Ellesmere. Also Sainsburys, Hudderfield, right next to the canal.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 14, 2017 8:54:41 GMT
Anyway, so what if you pay more tax on fuel for your highly expensive leisure hobby of boating? Those taxes go towards education, helping the NHS, and paying politicians' expenses for very agreeable luncheons in Strasbourg. All in a good cause!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 11:31:23 GMT
Bearing in mind you have to get it from a supermarket to the boat?? How many are conveniently close to the cut?? Can't get much closer! Also Sainsburys, Hudderfield, right next to the canal. Yes there are some - Morrisons at Nelson on the L&L is another one. But they are not as prevalent as most boatyards or having a fuel boat draw up right next to you, and you still have to lug it in bloody big cans on a trolley. Personally I would be happy to pay a yard or a fuel boat a bit of a premium for the convenience (if we were still boating) rather than fart about getting it from a Supermarket/petrol forecourt. We did it for the last two years in the main and it was a PITA compared to putting it straight in the boat's tank. Only because fuel boats didn't exist on our local area and the shore based suppliers were few and far between and unreliable regarding stock too. It may be better now as we left the waterways two years ago but I doubt it.
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Post by Gone on Mar 14, 2017 19:49:43 GMT
There is one good reason why 'Red' will not go completely - is it used by farmers and farmers are a protected species with our politicians.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 14, 2017 20:02:02 GMT
There is one good reason why 'Red' will not go completely - is it used by farmers and farmers are a protected species with our politicians. Used by a lot of railway locomotives too. I wonder if the train operating companies have to pay the DERV rate when their engine is being used for propulsion?
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Post by cuthound on Mar 14, 2017 20:21:27 GMT
There is one good reason why 'Red' will not go completely - is it used by farmers and farmers are a protected species with our politicians. Used by a lot of railway locomotives too. I wonder if the train operating companies have to pay the DERV raqte when their engine is being used for propulsion? Only when they go over over level crossings
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 14, 2017 21:13:39 GMT
I filled up with one of the diesel boats this week, and was chatting to Mark the proprietor. Would that be NB Callisto?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 22:27:29 GMT
Indeed it was Callisto.
Rog
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