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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 11:32:17 GMT
Sounds like good equipment. I seem to think they were about 9 grand and less than 1kw elwctric output. Maybe I've got the wrong price in my head. Another interesting generator is the Telair LPG automatic battery charger which is made for motorhomes. Also seen it called self energy EG20 Only 20a charge but for a frugal boat thats not too bad. Doesn't look very durable though... www.conrad-anderson.co.uk/products/view/tg480More here www.motorcaravanning.co.uk/shopuk/self_energy.htm
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Post by tadworth on Mar 17, 2017 14:02:52 GMT
Its certainly a Chinese product, the engine is a clone, not a serious brand, could be OK could be trash, the alternator is defo not a multi pole 3 phase permanent magnet alternator as found in Honda EU and the other inverter generators, most likely its a bog standard AVR brush alternator. Any serious manufacturer fits Honda or similar quality branded engines, so all in all this is just a cheap no brand Chinese generator with the petrol tank replaced by a propane regulator, I'm guessing its under the top cover and not external ? AVR is fixed at 3000 rpm for 50 hz.
I looked up on eBay for a similar electric start geny, and a propane kit and it cost £330 for the cheapest option.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 14:07:30 GMT
Its certainly a Chinese product, the engine is a clone, not a serious brand, could be OK could be trash, the alternator is defo not a multi pole 3 phase permanent magnet alternator as found in Honda EU and the other inverter generators, most likely its a bog standard AVR brush alternator. Any serious manufacturer fits Honda or similar quality branded engines, so all in all this is just a cheap no brand Chinese generator with the petrol tank replaced by a propane regulator, I'm guessing its under the top cover and not external ? AVR is fixed at 3000 rpm for 50 hz. I looked up on eBay for a similar electric start geny, and a propane kit and it cost £330 for the cheapest option. Agreed. That saved me a bit of typing!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 14:20:14 GMT
Its certainly a Chinese product, the engine is a clone, not a serious brand, could be OK could be trash, the alternator is defo not a multi pole 3 phase permanent magnet alternator as found in Honda EU and the other inverter generators, most likely its a bog standard AVR brush alternator. Any serious manufacturer fits Honda or similar quality branded engines, so all in all this is just a cheap no brand Chinese generator with the petrol tank replaced by a propane regulator, I'm guessing its under the top cover and not external ? AVR is fixed at 3000 rpm for 50 hz. I looked up on eBay for a similar electric start geny, and a propane kit and it cost £330 for the cheapest option. You are probably right. The £330 iten you mention - was it from a UK supplier? I was interested by this unit because it is endorsed by Calor which makes me think if it is a piece of shit (which is relatively likely) you could probably talk to them about it. This would probably not be possible with a dropshipped chinese item.
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Post by smileypete on Mar 17, 2017 16:23:55 GMT
I'm looking for a 2.5-3kw generator. It won't be my main power source as I also have solar for summer and built in 12v diesel genny for winter, and main engine of course. Its for occasional high wattage use like boiling my clothes. Anyway I spotted this on ebay. Its 2.8kw electric start and runs on lpg. £600. I assumed it would be junk but Calor are recommending it which makes me think it may be alright. Specially for occasional use. Has anyone seen one? pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=112330822228Edit to add available for £500 on calor website... Seems a bit of an inefficient way to heat water. Can't the burco thingy just be filled via the morco from the hot tap? If a 240V element can be run off 110V it should only draw about 500W, if someone has a cheap/spare 1kVA site transformer knocking around that might be more genny friendly. Have got a variable transformer (variac) which is handy from some things, mines only 2 amp, you'd need at least a 4-5amp one, not cheap though...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 16:38:35 GMT
I do put hot water from the calorifier whoch is heated by Alde and engine (the Morco is on my other boat) but the only way to actually Boil the clothes is to use the internal element, like a kettle Interesting about 110v as there are sometimes cheap good quality 110v generators to be had.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 16:51:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 17:01:57 GMT
Not big enough. Funnily enough I have a kawasaki GD700AS electric start unit but it has a fuel pump problem. I was a bit surprised it has a fuel pump but it does appear to, like outboard motors. I'll be looking for a new home for that genny soon.
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Post by peterboat on Mar 17, 2017 17:15:20 GMT
I think I will stick with the whispergens that I have my new boat will have the new one fitted, its good that it does two things ie heat water and charge the batteries, I know they are obsolete but spares are available and for me its been very reliable That's a Wise decision Peter, I would do too if I would be the Lucky owner of one of these "Whispergens" with someone nearby who has all the spares and also the knowledge if you ever have a problem.
Many years ago, I was ready to buy one of these, but the Dutch importer had stopped importing them, because of reliability problems that many of the owners had already with them during their warranty period, and I was strongly advised to buy something else.
What I do remember was when they were first introduced at a boatshow, I looked at one and talked to a salesman, as I was interested in knowing about the noise they produced, as it said on the brochure "silent", when I asked the guy if I could go somewhere to hear one running, he laughed, as it worked out that the one I was looking at was running there and then, really amazingly silent.
Peter.
Some of the issues are down to using fernox antifreeze/anti corrosion additive I use the latest 10 year antifreeze in mine which has resulted in long and happy service. It seem that fernox might not be as good as they think as it seems to cause deterioration of the seals and then gas loss mine is over 10 years old with nearly 5000 hours on it which is a lot of work
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Post by peterboat on Mar 17, 2017 17:18:36 GMT
Sounds like good equipment. I seem to think they were about 9 grand and less than 1kw elwctric output. Maybe I've got the wrong price in my head. Another interesting generator is the Telair LPG automatic battery charger which is made for motorhomes. Also seen it called self energy EG20 Only 20a charge but for a frugal boat thats not too bad. Doesn't look very durable though... www.conrad-anderson.co.uk/products/view/tg480More here www.motorcaravanning.co.uk/shopuk/self_energy.htmMine does 5 kw of heat and 70 amps at 12 volts its clever though very clever does equalisation if it thinks the batteries need it etc etc and yes over 10 k new which makes my new one at £475 a bit of a bargain its a 2010 model and brand new
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 18:20:18 GMT
Not big enough. Funnily enough I have a kawasaki GD700AS electric start unit but it has a fuel pump problem. I was a bit surprised it has a fuel pump but it does appear to, like outboard motors. I'll be looking for a new home for that genny soon. It is on 110v if you follow Smileypete's advice....
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Post by bargemast on Mar 17, 2017 18:24:59 GMT
Sounds like good equipment. I seem to think they were about 9 grand and less than 1kw elwctric output. Maybe I've got the wrong price in my head. Another interesting generator is the Telair LPG automatic battery charger which is made for motorhomes. Also seen it called self energy EG20 Only 20a charge but for a frugal boat thats not too bad. Doesn't look very durable though... www.conrad-anderson.co.uk/products/view/tg480More here www.motorcaravanning.co.uk/shopuk/self_energy.htmMine does 5 kw of heat and 70 amps at 12 volts its clever though very clever does equalisation if it thinks the batteries need it etc etc and yes over 10 k new which makes my new one at £475 a bit of a bargain its a 2010 model and brand newThat is a bargain Peter, you're a lucky guy to be so close-, and on very good terms with the seller, who's also the specialist of these fabulous machines.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 18:43:02 GMT
Not big enough. Funnily enough I have a kawasaki GD700AS electric start unit but it has a fuel pump problem. I was a bit surprised it has a fuel pump but it does appear to, like outboard motors. I'll be looking for a new home for that genny soon. It is on 110v if you follow Smileypete's advice.... Oh yes thats a point I thought kawasaki suitcase gennies only had 240. Sorry about that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 18:46:47 GMT
It is on 110v if you follow Smileypete's advice.... Oh yes thats a point I thought kawasaki suitcase gennies only had 240. Sorry about that. 👍👍 There's a snotter on eBay for around £250 and an ex Moto GP/BSB one if that's your thing. It was a highly regarded machine that still is a useful bit of kit. I'd put my faith in the Kwacker over a Chinese LPG Genny, you could probably find an LPG kit for the Kawasaki anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 18:51:01 GMT
I don't really understand how a 110v gennie would run a 240v heating element when the 240 output of the generator is not enough. I suppose it would just take longer (about twice as long in the case of the kwakker 1400 gennie) to warm up would it?
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