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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 21:49:10 GMT
Why waste any money, dumped in the local landfill would be better. Agreed. I would imagine that support in the US for Donald Trump's anti-Islamic policies will rise sharply as a result of this attack, I wonder if the perpetrator factored this into his plans? Of course he did. If you don't grasp this you don't understand what their objectives are.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 21:51:18 GMT
Shall I merge this thread with the one we already have on the subject? Might as well, even though this one is going to be one of those racist rants. For an intelligent bloke you can be dim as a Toc H lamp at times. Like it or not religion and race are intertwined, and while terrorist atrocities are almost exclusively carried out by Muslim fundamentalist the first reaction will always be to call out the race and religion that spawns these cunts, sadly the lines are too blurred for the average Joe to click that. The fact we have our own homegrown indoctrinated lunatics among us will escape the attention of the vast majority who can't see past a person's skin colour. I'm not excusing Christianity either, the roots of this problem stretch back a millennia to the crusades, if only we as aso called developed society could ditch the shackles of the religious fairy tale and leave the Muslims to a bit of sand and a few old buildings out in a desert. Erdogan wants taking to task for his role in inciting the weak and unhinged religious nutters with his recent statements too.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 22, 2017 21:56:31 GMT
Might as well, even though this one is going to be one of those racist rants. For an intelligent bloke you can be dim as a Toc H lamp at times. Like it or not religion and race are intertwined, and while terrorist atrocities are almost exclusively carried out by Muslim fundamentalist the first reaction will always be to call out the race and religion that spawns these cunts, sadly the lines are too blurred for the average Joe to click that. The fact we have our own homegrown indoctrinated lunatics among us will escape the attention of the vast majority who can't see past a person's skin colour. I'm not excusing Christianity either, the roots of this problem stretch back a millennia to the crusades, if only we as aso called developed society could ditch the shackles of the religious fairy tale and leave the Muslims to a bit of land and a few old buildings out in a desert. Erdogan wants taking to task for his role in inciting the weak and unhinged religious nutters with his recent statements too. Regarding the homegrown indoctrinated lunatics, didn't Enoch Powell nail that one nearly 50 years ago? received with ridicule of course, then and ever since.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 22, 2017 22:01:54 GMT
Agreed. I would imagine that support in the US for Donald Trump's anti-Islamic policies will rise sharply as a result of this attack, I wonder if the perpetrator factored this into his plans? Of course he did. If you don't grasp this you don't understand what their objectives are. Well, if their objectives are to have the world's most powerful country killing even more of their brethren, then I can't exactly understand the logic behind that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 22:05:31 GMT
For an intelligent bloke you can be dim as a Toc H lamp at times. Like it or not religion and race are intertwined, and while terrorist atrocities are almost exclusively carried out by Muslim fundamentalist the first reaction will always be to call out the race and religion that spawns these cunts, sadly the lines are too blurred for the average Joe to click that. The fact we have our own homegrown indoctrinated lunatics among us will escape the attention of the vast majority who can't see past a person's skin colour. I'm not excusing Christianity either, the roots of this problem stretch back a millennia to the crusades, if only we as aso called developed society could ditch the shackles of the religious fairy tale and leave the Muslims to a bit of land and a few old buildings out in a desert. Erdogan wants taking to task for his role in inciting the weak and unhinged religious nutters with his recent statements too. Regarding the homegrown indoctrinated lunatics, didn't Enoch Powell nail that one nearly 50 years ago? received with ridicule of course, then and ever since. You miss the point by a mile. That speech by a devout Christian shows the rank hipocrosy that goes to the centre of the problem. The fact people like you use it as a marker almost 50 years on shows just how little society has developed in that time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 22:08:13 GMT
Of course he did. If you don't grasp this you don't understand what their objectives are. Well, if their objectives are to have the world's most powerful country killing even more of their brethren, then I can't exactly understand the logic behind that. It'snot the people in the most powrful country in the world who are doing this though. It's the most powerful people in one of the largest countries in the world who are probably behind it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 22:17:10 GMT
Of course he did. If you don't grasp this you don't understand what their objectives are. Well, if their objectives are to have the world's most powerful country killing even more of their brethren, then I can't exactly understand the logic behind that. Since when has being killed a problem for a committed jihadist? Everyone else is just collateral damage.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 22, 2017 22:26:56 GMT
You miss the point by a mile. That speech by a devout Christian shows the rank hipocrosy that goes to the centre of the problem. The fact people like you use it as a marker almost 50 years on shows just how little society has developed in that time. Actually we could take a more simple approach. I know that the IRA caused terror for a decade or two, and that they are basically identical to any British person. Only different in that they have a nationalistic cause, which gave them a beef about their empirical conquerers. More recently we have welcomed several million people into our country whose beef is rather different. It now becomes rather more complicated. Rather than a simple loathing because of national borders there is instead a far more deep and profound difference. The very system that's attractive to said immigrants, the caring and sharing, the big government with big benefits, the tolerance. Oh, and the secularism. All things that are by nature either repugnant to said immigrants, or simply bewlidering. There's a certain irony that the 'package' is attractive at all, but attractive it most certainly is. There we have it. Mixing people up, forcing the majority to shut up while the majority take advantage of their weakness just doesn't work. It's been a fine social experiment but history will tell us, sometime in the future, that it was a failed experiment.
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Post by bodger on Mar 22, 2017 22:37:23 GMT
what utter bollox. Firstly the security policies are set by mandarins that we've never heard of, and secondly Britain's security policy has never been a major part of any party's manifesto AFAIK. Did we know that Blair would declare war on Iraq when we (not me) elected him? Did he have a clue what it was all about? I doubt it. He was advised by warmongers and got drawn into their (and Dubya's) evil net. When the coalition held back after the Kuwait war and did not follow up with the conquest of Iraq, it was because we recognised that Saddam was the only force holding a disparate country together. Who knows what changed their minds, excluding fairy stories about WMD? I'm not condoning anything as you seek to suggest, I'm trying to rationalise the motivation. It's not enough to paint people as crazed savages looking for virgins in the afterlife I'm afraid. The middle East was civilised when we were chewing roots like pigs. are you lacking the ability to read my post objectively? where does the concept of condoning anything come into it? you said: We, the public are held to be responsible if our government wreaks havoc somewhere, T'was us voted for them.
as I said, utter bollox to suggest we democratically elected MPs in the knowledge that they would act in a certain warlike manner; and please don't misquote me.
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Post by Delta9 on Mar 22, 2017 22:46:15 GMT
I did mention the Witch was not keen on us boating down to London because of exactly this kind of thing. Perhaps she has a point. Here is a list of terrorist attacks that have taken place in London: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_LondonCompared to the past, now looks pretty low risk. This seems like a very amateur attack, driving cars into people is lazy terrorism and not hugely effective if the goal is to kill a lot of people. The media coverage these days make this seem like a huge issue. It is a pretty small issue compared to those we've had in the past. Today's terrorist are few and far between, lazy, thick and amateurish.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 22, 2017 22:47:38 GMT
Shall I merge this thread with the one we already have on the subject? Might as well, even though this one is going to be one of those racist rants. Serious question- what is your opinion about the execution of homosexuals because their behaviour is un-Islamic?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 22:48:33 GMT
Throughout history, bad things usually happen when individuals feel they have total power over everyone else. Self moderation is great, but it does rely on a willingness to consider others views and learn from them.
A while back on a Brexit thread I mentioned the dangers of pushing power further away from us. With the advances in technology, media, psychology etc, one person can do more damage than ever before. Populism or Dictatorship?
Lets hope some kind of democracy exists at that level eh.
Anyway, the muppets who do this sort of thing have been brainwashed. The question is, who by and what is the motive?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 22:52:02 GMT
You miss the point by a mile. That speech by a devout Christian shows the rank hipocrosy that goes to the centre of the problem. The fact people like you use it as a marker almost 50 years on shows just how little society has developed in that time. Actually we could take a more simple approach. I know that the IRA caused terror for a decade or two, and that they are basically identical to any British person. Only different in that they have a nationalistic cause, which gave them a beef about their empirical conquerers. More recently we have welcomed several million people into our country whose beef is rather different. It now becomes rather more complicated. Rather than a simple loathing because of national borders there is instead a far more deep and profound difference. The very system that's attractive to said immigrants, the caring and sharing, the big government with big benefits, the tolerance. Oh, and the secularism. All things that are by nature either repugnant to said immigrants, or simply bewlidering. There's a certain irony that the 'package' is attractive at all, but attractive it most certainly is. There we have it. Mixing people up, forcing the majority to shut up while the majority take advantage of their weakness just doesn't work. It's been a fine social experiment but history will tell us, sometime in the future, that it was a failed experiment. You missed 400+ years of Protestant persecution of the Catholics in Ireland, yet another conflict with its root cause in religion.. As for the rest of your post, well, maybe you should consider Nihilism? You seem to be a good portion of the way there.
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Post by Delta9 on Mar 22, 2017 22:57:30 GMT
Anyway, the muppets who do this sort of thing have been brainwashed. The question is, who by and what is the motive? That is a very good question. I would bet my last pound on the real reason not being that they 'disapprove of our way of life' or that they 'hate western values' as the media would have us believe.
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Post by zigspider on Mar 22, 2017 23:01:59 GMT
I've just seen a picture of the chap shot by the police. Judging by his looks, it's quite possible that he is, sorry was, a Muslim. How terribly shocking, who would have thought it? Yes, the only good thing to have come out of this is that at least he was shot and killed, a funeral is far cheaper than a trial. True, but of course it means that no questions can be asked, i.e why he did it ( or who paid/asked him to do it )
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