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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 13:23:44 GMT
Great minds think alike (and fools seldom differ).
Have a good kip.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 13:28:56 GMT
Once slept.
Have a think about whether a domestic oil tank would be ok to use. Normally available very quickly if needed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 13:35:02 GMT
Once slept. Have a think about whether a domestic oil tank would be ok to use. Normally available very quickly if needed. I've seen a plastic domestic oil tank on the back of a humber keel. The boat was moored and I think the tank was for heating. It would be possible but as a sea passage is planned I'd want the (full) tank to be very very well strapped down with a lot of large and reliable ratchet straps. I do tend to overworry these things to be fair.
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Post by bargemast on Jun 27, 2017 14:16:59 GMT
Once slept. Have a think about whether a domestic oil tank would be ok to use. Normally available very quickly if needed. I've seen a plastic domestic oil tank on the back of a humber keel. The boat was moored and I think the tank was for heating. It would be possible but as a sea passage is planned I'd want the (full) tank to be very very well strapped down with a lot of large and reliable ratchet straps. I do tend to overworry these things to be fair. Plastic tanks outside will only be good as a temporary messure, this because the sunshine (if there is any of that in the UK ) will make the plastic brittle. On my deck I have a 500 liter DAF Truck fuel tank for some extra heating oil, safely- and strongly strapped with ratchet straps. Peter.
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Post by patty on Jun 27, 2017 14:57:54 GMT
Spring chickens? Cock a doodle er uhm what's the last bit, I've forgotten Phil dunno Ive forgot as well..cannot be important cos I think i remember the important stuff
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Post by patty on Jun 27, 2017 15:01:03 GMT
I'd be tempted to get hold of a couple of lorry fuel tanks and strap them in somewhere for emergencies. Oddly that is not a loit different from our thoughts ....... we have got to measure up and see if we can get a 1000 litre bowser tank on tjhe stern deck as a temp measure and look at installing a second tank in the engine room. Need to do some measuring and thunking ..... Hard to concentrate at mo .... going to bed some piccies tomorrow Well hopefully when you've had a good think and a sleep solution will have snuck into your mind..keep us posted..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 15:28:33 GMT
I've seen a plastic domestic oil tank on the back of a humber keel. The boat was moored and I think the tank was for heating. It would be possible but as a sea passage is planned I'd want the (full) tank to be very very well strapped down with a lot of large and reliable ratchet straps. I do tend to overworry these things to be fair. Plastic tanks outside will only be good as a temporary messure, this because the sunshine (if there is any of that in the UK ) will make the plastic brittle. On my deck I have a 500 liter DAF Truck fuel tank for some extra heating oil, safely- and strongly strapped with ratchet straps. Peter. The sun does occasionally get out in Englandland I'm hoping it gets out next weekend in Oxfordshire and Berkshire because one of my boats is at Henley by the start of the regatta course and I would hate to see all the twat rowers getting wet plus more importantly I'm hoping to take my 2 kids out in the dinghy on Saturday to enjoy the event. So yes some sunshine would be very useful !!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 15:33:22 GMT
I've seen a plastic domestic oil tank on the back of a humber keel. The boat was moored and I think the tank was for heating. It would be possible but as a sea passage is planned I'd want the (full) tank to be very very well strapped down with a lot of large and reliable ratchet straps. I do tend to overworry these things to be fair. Plastic tanks outside will only be good as a temporary messure, this because the sunshine (if there is any of that in the UK ) will make the plastic brittle. Depends what you consider temporary I suppose... When my old tank started weeping from a split after being filled with 1000 litres, a quick phone call (after the initial panic) saw a temporary tank on site within hours. The temp tank remained on sight for two weeks whilst modifications were made to the site to meet current regulations - I very much doubt whether the new tank will split within 10 years.
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Post by peterboat on Jun 27, 2017 18:05:17 GMT
Its a bit of a bummer John filtering the diesel should clean it up enough to use? I have something on my system which prefilters the diesel to protect the main filters works well and I can see the crap!! Anyway fingers crossed for the rest of the journey take care
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Post by bargemast on Jun 27, 2017 18:16:58 GMT
Plastic tanks outside will only be good as a temporary messure, this because the sunshine (if there is any of that in the UK ) will make the plastic brittle. Depends what you consider temporary I suppose... When my old tank started weeping from a split after being filled with 1000 litres, a quick phone call (after the initial panic) saw a temporary tank on site within hours. The temp tank remained on sight for two weeks whilst modifications were made to the site to meet current regulations - I very much doubt whether the new tank will split within 10 years. If you stay on the inland waterways in places without much sunshine, your plastic tank is likely to last a bit (much ?) longer, but if you're out at sea with an half full tank (exactly the same with a half empty tank) and the fuel is sloshing about in the tank, it's sure that the tanks life will be greatly reduced. And again insurers wouldn't be happy with the arrangement, if your plastic tank splits and pollutes the water it's quite likely that your insurance won't pay for the de-pollution. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 18:30:32 GMT
Depends what you consider temporary I suppose... When my old tank started weeping from a split after being filled with 1000 litres, a quick phone call (after the initial panic) saw a temporary tank on site within hours. The temp tank remained on sight for two weeks whilst modifications were made to the site to meet current regulations - I very much doubt whether the new tank will split within 10 years. If you stay on the inland waterways in places without much sunshine, your plastic tank is likely to last a bit (much ?) longer, but if you're out at sea with an half full tank (exactly the same with a half empty tank) and the fuel is sloshing about in the tank, it's sure that the tanks life will be greatly reduced. And again insurers wouldn't be happy with the arrangement, if your plastic tank splits and pollutes the water it's quite likely that your insurance won't pay for the de-pollution. Peter. Aware of all of this. But as I understand it JohnV is looking for a temporary solution. That solution might carry some risks so it is up to John to decide.
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Post by bargemast on Jun 28, 2017 6:58:50 GMT
If you stay on the inland waterways in places without much sunshine, your plastic tank is likely to last a bit (much ?) longer, but if you're out at sea with an half full tank (exactly the same with a half empty tank) and the fuel is sloshing about in the tank, it's sure that the tanks life will be greatly reduced. And again insurers wouldn't be happy with the arrangement, if your plastic tank splits and pollutes the water it's quite likely that your insurance won't pay for the de-pollution. Peter. Aware of all of this. But as I understand it JohnV is looking for a temporary solution. That solution might carry some risks so it is up to John to decide. As John sounds like a very serious guy, I'm sure he won't do anything that could create a hazard, and from what I understood, he's going to clean out his tank(s?) while waiting for his crew to return with lots of spare filters. Peter.
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Post by JohnV on Jun 28, 2017 12:42:40 GMT
Its a bit of a bummer John filtering the diesel should clean it up enough to use? I have something on my system which prefilters the diesel to protect the main filters works well and I can see the crap!! Anyway fingers crossed for the rest of the journey take care I have a Racor turbine filter as a pre-filter before the standard Daewoo filter plus a washable lift pump filter ...... it was just so bad that we ran out of the replaceable filters for the Racor (4 of them) then replaced the Daewoo filter twice ........ we then started running on the spare drum of fuel with the last Daewoo filter. What we couldn't understand (at the time) was why we were going through so much fuel ...... the reason was, we had run a garden hose down from the deck to the lift pump but had forgotten that the return was still pumping the bypass back into the contaminated tank !!! we wasted a large percentage of the spare fuel that way. As regards the 1000 litre tank on deck ..... that is out, there just is not quite enough room. the best answer looks like being 4 200 litre barrels strapped to the stern rail in the same way that the single spare barrel is strapped now. SAM_0734 by mudlarker2, on Flickr There are no photo's taken while things were going wrong as everybody was far too busy ........ The anchor and anchor winch has been paying for itself in spades, it has had more use in the last couple of days than the rest of the time I have had it....... it was comforting to know that there was a 140lb CQR anchor on 350 foot of chain We left Leigh on the afternoon tide in lovely conditions SAM_0715 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_0717 by mudlarker2, on Flickr past Southend pier SAM_0719 by mudlarker2, on Flickr and out of the Estuary SAM_0722 by mudlarker2, on Flickr And on towards the Blackwater and the enormous wind farms It was shortly after we cleared the wind farms that we started with the fuel problems ..... A shame because at that stage I was well pleased, She punches the tide at neatly 7 knots and after it turned we were running along at just on 10 knots We limped into Harwich late evening with only about 10 gallons of clean fuel left (explanation as to why we had gone through so much earlier) SAM_0724 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_0727 by mudlarker2, on Flickr and anchored Shotley point (the junction of the rivers Orwell and Stour) Lots of VHF and mobile phone calls produced a yacht haven that had a visitors mooring big enough, that wasn't too far inland. The nearest fuel available was in Shotley Marina but it is not really equipped for boats our size. In through the lock and an immediate 90 degree turn to the fuel berth meant we had to snub her round with a line on the knuckle. Sorry no piccies I was too busy running around with fenders (to be honest I was glad the Bryan the tug skipper took her in and out) Getting out was worse as there was not enough room to swing, we had to reverse out, again using a stern snubber and reverse out of the marina down a very narrow channel until there was enough room (just) to swing. We then set off up the Orwell to Woolverstone Yacht Haven SAM_0730 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_0737 by mudlarker2, on Flickr Passed Pin Mill .... a very famous East Coast watering hole and Sailing barge area SAM_0744 by mudlarker2, on Flickr and up to Woolverstone SAM_0746 by mudlarker2, on Flickr Where we definitely were the odd one out SAM_0749 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_0750 by mudlarker2, on Flickr SAM_0748 by mudlarker2, on Flickr
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Post by bargemast on Jun 28, 2017 15:12:08 GMT
Thanks a lot for your update John, what a shame about the return fuel ending up in the bilge, but never mind, worse things could have happened, and you got through all this in one piece and so did your barge.
The next lap surely won't bother you with the same nasty fuel problems, as misery like that normally arrives at the worst moments.
Thanks for the photos, and don't worry about not having been able to make some photos during all the troubles you've gone through.
All the very best for the rest of your trip, btw she does seem to go pretty fast, would that be because she's smelling her stable, her early years trading area ?
Peter.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 28, 2017 16:24:06 GMT
I see no-one has quoted John's post yet so we still have the one set of photos and not 6 sets...
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