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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 13:37:41 GMT
No it's not. I understand why you would dismiss it as such but the NMC who clearly know much more about Nursing than you do have suggested it is a reason. I realise these facts are inconvenient but that's just the way it is. Sorry. It is total bullshit. NMC should stop politicking and stick to its fundamentals; reviewing standards, education, training, conduct and performance.
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Post by leo326 on Jan 17, 2018 14:02:39 GMT
My daughter is a Nurse, in Canada. Why not in the UK? Simple, the pay.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 14:04:01 GMT
No it's not. I understand why you would dismiss it as such but the NMC who clearly know much more about Nursing than you do have suggested it is a reason. I realise these facts are inconvenient but that's just the way it is. Sorry. It is total bullshit. Before it is condemned as such I would prefer to see the outcome of their proposed research.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 14:04:59 GMT
My daughter is a Nurse, in Canada. Why not in the UK? Simple, the pay. My daughter is a nurse in the UK - what relevance does that have?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 14:10:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 14:12:10 GMT
My daughter is a Nurse, in Canada. Why not in the UK? Simple, the pay. Exactly. The biggest culprit. The nhs has always been the first step on the ladder for many who were ambitious. To put it simply, a lot of the shop floor staff stay on moral grounds. Much of middle management and above were career building for the private sector. Those that tended to stay were just sitting tight in a comfort zone, waiting for pension time, dragging the nhs into the mess it's in now. Yes, governments have fucked up, but the biggest fuck up for the nhs were it's fiddle management.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 14:14:06 GMT
Yep, bullshit and propoganda. Look at the way twunt has demoralised and destroyed the drs over the past few years. Fuck all to do with brexit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 14:20:11 GMT
I remember a very senior manager at a hospital telling me he was down to buying tons of unnecessary cutlery and crockery, simply to spend the allowance in order to not lose it the following year. Sad in its own right, but fuckin hell, of all the things to buy, cutlery?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 14:21:14 GMT
Yep, bullshit and propoganda. No it isn't. Again it's convenient for you to dismiss it as such but again when presented with something you just stick your fingers in your ears and shout 'la la la, not listening not listening'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 14:28:30 GMT
I remember a very senior manager at a hospital telling me he was down to buying tons of unnecessary cutlery and crockery, simply to spend the allowance in order to not lose it the following year. Sad in its own right, but fuckin hell, of all the things to buy, cutlery? Yes that does happen (or rather it used to when I was working) - but that is not the fault of that particular manager, it was how the finances in the NHS worked (and possibly still do, but I doubt it as it didn't happened the last few years I was at work). I do think his purchasing decision was indeed dubious, what we used to do was ask our clinical staff in advance of the expected 'year end spend' what they needed for the wards and patients/staff. They would draw up a list of things they needed for the ward in priority order and where they could be obtained from. Then when the money had to be spent (before the end of the financial year) we could move quickly to spend the money on stuff that was actually needed. Not all of us took such a daft approach as making a random purchasing decision of seemingly unnecessary items.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 14:32:59 GMT
Yep, bullshit and propoganda. No it isn't. Again it's convenient for you to dismiss it as such but again when presented with something you just stick your fingers in your ears and shout 'la la la, not listening not listening'. It's not convenient for me at all. It's fuckin annoying that people like you buy into the bullshit your peers feed you. I mean so far you have given me the NMC as one of your samples. An organisation that has previously been accused of bullying, racism, received broad criticism of its leadership, and victimisation of Margaret Heywood for spilling the beans on conditions at Royal Sussex hospital. Now your suggesting data from this organisation can be trusted?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 14:35:14 GMT
I remember a very senior manager at a hospital telling me he was down to buying tons of unnecessary cutlery and crockery, simply to spend the allowance in order to not lose it the following year. Sad in its own right, but fuckin hell, of all the things to buy, cutlery? Yes that does happen (or rather it used to when I was working) - but that is not the fault of that particular manager, it was how the finances in the NHS worked (and possibly still do, but I doubt it as it didn't happened the last few years I was at work). I do think his purchasing decision was indeed dubious, what we used to do was ask our clinical staff in advance of the expected 'year end spend' what they needed for the wards and patients/staff. They would draw up a list of things they needed for the ward in priority order and where they could be obtained from. Then when the money had to be spent (before the end of the financial year) we could move quickly to spend the money on stuff that was actually needed. Not all of us took such a daft approach as making a random purchasing decision of seemingly unnecessary items. I'm not suggesting any individual is daft. My point is that the management nhs style is fuckin broken.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 14:36:37 GMT
No it isn't. Again it's convenient for you to dismiss it as such but again when presented with something you just stick your fingers in your ears and shout 'la la la, not listening not listening'. It's not convenient for me at all. It's fuckin annoying that people like you buy into the bullshit your peers feed you. I mean so far you have given me the NMC as one of your samples. An organisation that has previously been accused of bullying, racism, received broad criticism of its leadership, and victimisation of Margaret Heywood for spilling the beans on conditions at Royal Sussex hospital. Now your suggesting data from this organisation can be trusted? The NMC wasn't the only source I cited. The only bullshit being fed here is yours.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 14:39:06 GMT
Yes that does happen (or rather it used to when I was working) - but that is not the fault of that particular manager, it was how the finances in the NHS worked (and possibly still do, but I doubt it as it didn't happened the last few years I was at work). I do think his purchasing decision was indeed dubious, what we used to do was ask our clinical staff in advance of the expected 'year end spend' what they needed for the wards and patients/staff. They would draw up a list of things they needed for the ward in priority order and where they could be obtained from. Then when the money had to be spent (before the end of the financial year) we could move quickly to spend the money on stuff that was actually needed. Not all of us took such a daft approach as making a random purchasing decision of seemingly unnecessary items. I'm not suggesting any individual is daft. My point is that the management nhs style is fuckin broken. Based on a single individual's purchasing decision?, when I have given you a perfect example of how it could and does work when somebody applies a bit of nowse, and it's not that uncommon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 14:40:48 GMT
It's not convenient for me at all. It's fuckin annoying that people like you buy into the bullshit your peers feed you. I mean so far you have given me the NMC as one of your samples. An organisation that has previously been accused of bullying, racism, received broad criticism of its leadership, and victimisation of Margaret Heywood for spilling the beans on conditions at Royal Sussex hospital. Now your suggesting data from this organisation can be trusted? The NMC wasn't the only source I cited. The only bullshit being fed here is yours. Mines all factual, don't go making yourself look silly. Everything i have stated in the last hour is fact.
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