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Post by peterboat on May 20, 2018 18:09:34 GMT
Has anyone being watching the unfolding fiasco of the Syrian "refugees" that are now leaving Europe to go to Turkey then Syria in the dead of night? They are selling their european passports in turkey and the suspicion is that terrorist will be buying them! As it happens the ones worth the most are UK ones at 15k but they have none to sell as clearly the refugees here are happy with their lot, unlike the ones in Europe.......................................couldnt make it up could you? just makes you glad that we voted to leave that crock of poo that is the EU You can buy a UK passport for a hell of a lot less than that online. Those fictional terrorists are getting ripped off. Dnont blame me blame the ITV 10 o clock news the issue is that whilst lots of EU travel documents are for sale no UK ones are available which is a good thing
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 20, 2018 18:14:49 GMT
HOT! 9,712 replies. This from a canal discussion forum that threw members off because Politics was not allowed. Politics has always been allowed on CWDF, provided the poster agreed with the site owner's politics.
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Post by peterboat on May 21, 2018 23:02:42 GMT
HOT! 9,712 replies. This from a canal discussion forum that threw members off because Politics was not allowed. Politics has always been allowed on CWDF, provided the poster agreed with the site owner's politics. I am completely for brexit and post on there all the time and I thought he was anti brexit anyway I use both places for different reasons
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 8:15:15 GMT
I think we are about to see proof that this country no longer has a democratic system. This country voted out of the EU but it seems that the ‘people’s vote’ is no longer relevant.
This could end very badly for this government and the puppets who run it. I think the only way now to save our democracy is have a hard exit with no deal. Marketing forces and hopefully common sense will sort out the rest.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 16, 2018 9:00:33 GMT
I think we are about to see proof that this country no longer has a democratic system. This country voted out of the EU but it seems that the ‘people’s vote’ is no longer relevant. This could end very badly for this government and the puppets who run it. I think the only way now to save our democracy is have a hard exit with no deal. Marketing forces and hopefully common sense will sort out the rest. Yes I can see Mrs May regretting her statement as far as I know Brexit has to happen now article 50 has been triggered, I suspect if she trries to stop it rioting in the streets could occour, with luck she will be upsurped by a more Brexit orientated leader
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 16, 2018 9:10:41 GMT
If the vote had been a bit more decisive I think those sobbing and wailing on about “democracy” would have a bit more credibility. It is not undemocratic to have another referendum following a very close earlier referendum when the cases presented from both sides was so misleading and based on lies and bullshit, now that the situation is a little clearer. The only thing that would be undemocratic would be to decide not to Brexit without having another referendum.
Personally I was on the fence at the last referendum being able to see arguments both ways. Since then I have become more pro-Brexit due to the patronising and vindictive nature of the EU towards us, and less pro Brexit due to our seeming inability to handle it with any degree of competence. So I remain on the fence!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 9:25:56 GMT
If the vote had been a bit more decisive I think those sobbing and wailing on about “democracy” would have a bit more credibility. It is not undemocratic to have another referendum following a very close earlier referendum when the cases presented from both sides was so misleading and based on lies and bullshit, now that the situation is a little clearer. The only thing that would be undemocratic would be to decide not to Brexit without having another referendum. Personally I was on the fence at the last referendum being able to see arguments both ways. Since then I have become more pro-Brexit due to the patronising and vindictive nature of the EU towards us, and less pro Brexit due to our seeming inability to handle it with any degree of competence. So I remain on the fence! Well I’m pretty sure I know what the reaction would have been from remoaners if they’d won by a small majority and Brexiters tried pushing for another referendum. Holding onto democracy in this country is more important than whether we stay in the EU or not. We need to remember that we only voted to enter a common market, NOT to be part of an European state. That is proof again that we live in a stealth dictatorship run by people who are obsessed with world control.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 9:37:40 GMT
Our nation has become something of a laughing stock over the handling of this process. Whilst I was a firm remainer, I accept totally that we voted out. It is nearing the end of July, and within eight months time this issue must be resolved. I am beginning to wish the government would just walk away. The current embarrassing 'fudge' is disgraceful after such a lengthy period. One could be forgiven for thinking they don't know what they're doing Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 16, 2018 9:46:24 GMT
If the vote had been a bit more decisive I think those sobbing and wailing on about “democracy” would have a bit more credibility. It is not undemocratic to have another referendum following a very close earlier referendum when the cases presented from both sides was so misleading and based on lies and bullshit, now that the situation is a little clearer. The only thing that would be undemocratic would be to decide not to Brexit without having another referendum. Personally I was on the fence at the last referendum being able to see arguments both ways. Since then I have become more pro-Brexit due to the patronising and vindictive nature of the EU towards us, and less pro Brexit due to our seeming inability to handle it with any degree of competence. So I remain on the fence! Well I’m pretty sure I know what the reaction would have been from remoaners if they’d won by a small majority and Brexiters tried pushing for another referendum. Holding onto democracy in this country is more important than whether we stay in the EU or not. We need to remember that we only voted to enter a common market, NOT to be part of an European state. That is proof again that we live in a stealth dictatorship run by people who are obsessed with world control. I would guarantee that if the remainers had won by such a small margin, the brexiteers would of course be baying for another referendum - although the reality of the exit process would not have become clear and so the campaign would be another one of smoke, mirrors and lies. Really, when such a massive change is proposed, there should be a criteria of say 2/3rds in favour, otherwise the status quo prevails. Ditto for the Scottish independence thing. Oh and yes, we didn’t vote to join a European super-state. Just like we didn’t directly vote for any of the other current legislation we have. We vote for our parliamentary representatives and delegate power to them to make such decisions. So you are being entirely selective in your ideas of “democracy”!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 11:07:05 GMT
Well I’m pretty sure I know what the reaction would have been from remoaners if they’d won by a small majority and Brexiters tried pushing for another referendum. Holding onto democracy in this country is more important than whether we stay in the EU or not. We need to remember that we only voted to enter a common market, NOT to be part of an European state. That is proof again that we live in a stealth dictatorship run by people who are obsessed with world control. I would guarantee that if the remainers had won by such a small margin, the brexiteers would of course be baying for another referendum - although the reality of the exit process would not have become clear and so the campaign would be another one of smoke, mirrors and lies. Really, when such a massive change is proposed, there should be a criteria of say 2/3rds in favour, otherwise the status quo prevails. Ditto for the Scottish independence thing. Oh and yes, we didn’t vote to join a European super-state. Just like we didn’t directly vote for any of the other current legislation we have. We vote for our parliamentary representatives and delegate power to them to make such decisions. So you are being entirely selective in your ideas of “democracy”! The fact that we had a supposedly ‘democratic’ vote on Brexit shows how something which is supposedly ‘very impotant’ is taken to a national vote (not just left to our elected politicians). There was also vote over Scotland for the same reason, remember? So what we need now is a national vote on whether we have confidence in our governments ability to maintain true democracy before the elite completely run away with themselves. I actually believe it’s time to move away from party politics and elect individuals into parliament who truly represent the wishes of those in local regions. Some MP’s start out with local needs at heart but soon get sucked into the ‘machine’ regardless of the party they represent. Some of course start out being part of the machine to start with. I do agree with John though, I’m sure we will see riots soon (not helped by the hot weather). People will only take so much piss taking, especially when it’s done in their face.
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Post by patty on Jul 16, 2018 11:56:56 GMT
Whatever way they decide its just more money lost to the wheels of bureaucratic shenanigans ...I just keep thinking how much are all these negotiations costing?..we r sinking in a sea of debt...
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Post by peterboat on Jul 16, 2018 12:18:05 GMT
I would guarantee that if the remainers had won by such a small margin, the brexiteers would of course be baying for another referendum - although the reality of the exit process would not have become clear and so the campaign would be another one of smoke, mirrors and lies. Really, when such a massive change is proposed, there should be a criteria of say 2/3rds in favour, otherwise the status quo prevails. Ditto for the Scottish independence thing. Oh and yes, we didn’t vote to join a European super-state. Just like we didn’t directly vote for any of the other current legislation we have. We vote for our parliamentary representatives and delegate power to them to make such decisions. So you are being entirely selective in your ideas of “democracy”! The fact that we had a supposedly ‘democratic’ vote on Brexit shows how something which is supposedly ‘very impotant’ is taken to a national vote (not just left to our elected politicians). There was also vote over Scotland for the same reason, remember? So what we need now is a national vote on whether we have confidence in our governments ability to maintain true democracy before the elite completely run away with themselves. I actually believe it’s time to move away from party politics and elect individuals into parliament who truly represent the wishes of those in local regions. Some MP’s start out with local needs at heart but soon get sucked into the ‘machine’ regardless of the party they represent. Some of course start out being part of the machine to start with. I do agree with John though, I’m sure we will see riots soon (not helped by the hot weather). People will only take so much piss taking, especially when it’s done in their face. I was just reading on exponential investors that Italy could solve the problem for us, by September/October they could be totally bankrupt taking the EU/Euro with it! Fingers crossed we will be able to reform the common market but without Brussels and Strasbourg! Sack the lot of them is my view
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 12:40:16 GMT
Whatever way they decide its just more money lost to the wheels of bureaucratic shenanigans ...I just keep thinking how much are all these negotiations costing?..we r sinking in a sea of debt... Actually the whole subject of ‘National Debt’ is an interesting one. Don’t all countries have a National Debt? In debt to who exactly? As an aside, I’ve always thought it odd why we don’t call credit cards, debt cards...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 13:18:26 GMT
Ourselves!
We're massively earning less than we're spending.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 16, 2018 13:35:59 GMT
I would guarantee that if the remainers had won by such a small margin, the brexiteers would of course be baying for another referendum - although the reality of the exit process would not have become clear and so the campaign would be another one of smoke, mirrors and lies. Really, when such a massive change is proposed, there should be a criteria of say 2/3rds in favour, otherwise the status quo prevails. Ditto for the Scottish independence thing. Oh and yes, we didn’t vote to join a European super-state. Just like we didn’t directly vote for any of the other current legislation we have. We vote for our parliamentary representatives and delegate power to them to make such decisions. So you are being entirely selective in your ideas of “democracy”! The fact that we had a supposedly ‘democratic’ vote on Brexit shows how something which is supposedly ‘very impotant’ is taken to a national vote (not just left to our elected politicians). There was also vote over Scotland for the same reason, remember? So what we need now is a national vote on whether we have confidence in our governments ability to maintain true democracy before the elite completely run away with themselves. I actually believe it’s time to move away from party politics and elect individuals into parliament who truly represent the wishes of those in local regions. Some MP’s start out with local needs at heart but soon get sucked into the ‘machine’ regardless of the party they represent. Some of course start out being part of the machine to start with. I do agree with John though, I’m sure we will see riots soon (not helped by the hot weather). People will only take so much piss taking, especially when it’s done in their face. We had such a vote remember? It was called a General Election. Which the present government won. Primarily because they were the least worst. I half agree on the party politics thing, however without it you end up with “management by committee” which, with several hundred MPs all having their own and different ideas, is a sure way to get nothing at all done.
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