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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 17:40:48 GMT
It's a different model Peter or more likely an older (or newer) version.
Yours in the photo is the one I found the manual for.
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Post by bargemast on Feb 20, 2018 17:49:03 GMT
It's a different model Peter or more likely an older (or newer) version. Yours in the photo is the one I found the manual for. Yes thanks Martin, I discovered that a bit later and added that to my posting, it's not easy to think clear at the moment (or maybe never). Mine will surely be an older version. Peter.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 20, 2018 17:50:43 GMT
The Kipor has an inverter built in, so whilst it SHOULD be the same power superficially, in reality the waveform isn’t perfect and this can upset some devices. Adding the incandescent bulb can help to smooth the waveform. Are you running the Kipor in variable speed mode, or full speed mode? If the former, try the latter. But I think, as MM says, that charger is probably beyond the capabilities of the Kipor. I have the same genny and it only just runs my 12v 30A charger, due to the transient/start up loads. hey forget about magnetman I said it was too big a load for the genny first. So you did. Clever boy!
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Post by kris on Feb 20, 2018 17:51:14 GMT
It's a different model Peter or more likely an older (or newer) version. Yours in the photo is the one I found the manual for. in the manual you found, did it give a generator rating?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 17:55:38 GMT
I remember this topic on canal world and its something to do with transformer saturation or something like that in that it takes more power to "prepare" the charger than it does to actually operate it. That was a topic I started about the 130a charger installed on my barge when I bought it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 18:04:26 GMT
It's a different model Peter or more likely an older (or newer) version. Yours in the photo is the one I found the manual for. in the manual you found, did it give a generator rating? I can't see that it specifically gives a rating for a genny. Just an overall input specification. 230 v with a tolerance of -10% to + 15% and for that model 7 amps if im reading tge chart correctly. I can't find were I found the manual now otherwise I would link to it. It downloaded to my tablet so I could email it.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 20, 2018 18:05:34 GMT
It's a different model Peter or more likely an older (or newer) version. Yours in the photo is the one I found the manual for. in the manual you found, did it give a generator rating? No. But 24v (actually say 27.5v when initially charging) at 50A is 1375w. Efficiency is quoted as 89% so input power needed is 1575w. Which is very close to the genny’s continuous rating of 1600va. So bearing in mind the intial load is much higher, I doubt the charger would power it unless it has a soft start thingy.
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Post by kris on Feb 20, 2018 18:08:59 GMT
So it's llooking like you need to fix your diesel generator them Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Feb 20, 2018 18:12:22 GMT
hey forget about magnetman I said it was too big a load for the genny first. So you did. Clever boy! The variable speed mode only works if the genny doesn't have to give a lot of power, at the mo it's on variable speed mode with the 35 Amp garage charger, and it's running at less then full throttle, so there must be still some reserve power in the machine. Yes Kris made the first remark about the possible lack of power of the Kipor, I think that his knowledge is often under estimated. I think what I should do now to feel better and forget about everything that seems to go wrong, is sit down and pull the hair out off my head. Of course that doesn't change anything about this situation, but that is at least something I can do, without the need for help. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 18:13:12 GMT
in the manual you found, did it give a generator rating? No. But 24v (actually say 27.5v when initially charging) at 50A is 1375w. Efficiency is quoted as 89% so input power needed is 1575w. Which is very close to the genny’s continuous rating of 1600va. So bearing in mind the intial load is much higher, I doubt the charger would power it unless it has a soft start thingy. According to the manual I downloaded it does have a soft start thingy.
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Post by bargemast on Feb 20, 2018 18:15:32 GMT
in the manual you found, did it give a generator rating? No. But 24v (actually say 27.5v when initially charging) at 50A is 1375w. Efficiency is quoted as 89% so input power needed is 1575w. Which is very close to the genny’s continuous rating of 1600va. So bearing in mind the intial load is much higher, I doubt the charger would power it unless it has a soft start thingy. Yes, continuous rating is 1600va, but it will give 2000va if it needs to, for a while, and that while should be long enough to start it up, or not, that's the question. Peter.
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Post by kris on Feb 20, 2018 18:17:55 GMT
No. But 24v (actually say 27.5v when initially charging) at 50A is 1375w. Efficiency is quoted as 89% so input power needed is 1575w. Which is very close to the genny’s continuous rating of 1600va. So bearing in mind the intial load is much higher, I doubt the charger would power it unless it has a soft start thingy. Yes, continuous rating is 1600va, but it will give 2000va if it needs to, for a while, and that while should be long enough to start it up, or not, that's the question. Peter. it's finding mains power then to plug it into to test, then you'll know what's going on.
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Post by bargemast on Feb 20, 2018 18:19:43 GMT
So it's llooking like you need to fix your diesel generator them Peter. Yes Kris that's a priority, a non-working diesel genny is almost as useless as a non-working Mastervolt charger, but if all is well once I've received the parts, I should be able to fix the genny, as I'm more familiar with engines than with electrickery mysteries. Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Feb 20, 2018 18:22:52 GMT
Yes, continuous rating is 1600va, but it will give 2000va if it needs to, for a while, and that while should be long enough to start it up, or not, that's the question. Peter. it's finding mains power then to plug it into to test, then you'll know what's going on. I know where I can find the mains power, as that will be reconnected at the town quay around may. Once the diesel genny works again I'll be alright, and by may the solar panels should start to help me with my power needs too. Peter.
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Post by kris on Feb 20, 2018 18:23:35 GMT
So it's llooking like you need to fix your diesel generator them Peter. Yes Kris that's a priority, a non-working diesel genny is almost as useless as a non-working Mastervolt charger, but if all is well once I've received the parts, I should be able to fix the genny, as I'm more familiar with engines than with electrickery mysteries. Peter. it is annoying when things stop working, without any visable reason why. Although I'm pretty sure your charger will work when plugged into the mains/a bigger generator.
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