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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 19:28:56 GMT
Yep, those families who were not directly affected by the Aberfan disaster should have just manned up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 19:34:36 GMT
Yep, those families who were not directly affected by the Aberfan disaster should have just manned up. It one thing to help and support people affected by an event, providing help and practical support as needed. It's another to claim you are grieving for somebody you don't know, have never met and who just happened to live in the same town. That is just bollocks/mass hysteria.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 22, 2018 19:38:41 GMT
Yep, those families who were not directly affected by the Aberfan disaster should have just manned up. That is a bit different, a whole community was wiped out or at least badly damaged. Ditto with Lockerbie. But most of the people killed in the Shoreham accident were just passing through. It would be like Birmingham going into mourning because there was a pileup on the M6.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 19:39:24 GMT
Yep, those families who were not directly affected by the Aberfan disaster should have just manned up. It's another to claim you are grieving for somebody you don't know, have never met and who just happened to live in the same town. Agree with this
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 19:44:23 GMT
Yep, those families who were not directly affected by the Aberfan disaster should have just manned up. Ditto with Lockerbie. What!!! A few people on the ground died - a community was not anywhere near wiped out. I know Lockerbie fairly well (and some of the families who still live there) so forgive me if I start going into rant mode.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 20:05:20 GMT
It was a bit odd when my cousin told me one of her son's friends died in the Shoreham air crash. I didn't know him. I also didn't know my would-be grandfather who was burned to death in a plane crash in Ohio or my would-be uncle who disappeared in a military plane accident in ww2. I agree that "mourning" for someone you didn't know or were not related to is odd but its also true that things like this can have an effect on people in the sense of some sort of displaced trauma. I think that's more relevant to people who are related to victims or directly involved rather than those who happen to live near the scene of a significant accident.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 20:54:16 GMT
I agree that "mourning" for someone you didn't know or were not related to is odd but its also true that things like this can have an effect on people in the sense of some sort of displaced trauma. I think much of this is to do with it 'shouldn't happen in my back yard'. Difficult for me to explain more than that. I do find it sad that even with many tragedies the world doesn't seem to have got any better at coping with them, google 'the orphan of Lockerbie' or 'the heir of Lockerbie' and you will start to realise how little the world has moved on since then.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 22, 2018 21:15:47 GMT
I agree that "mourning" for someone you didn't know or were not related to is odd but its also true that things like this can have an effect on people in the sense of some sort of displaced trauma. Things like that have an effect on people with no lives of their own. It’s similar to rubbernecking at the scene of a motorway crash. Something to be discouraged. With a slap.
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Post by thebfg on Mar 22, 2018 21:15:53 GMT
I imagine it was heart breaking for the families of the 11 that died. It must have been quite horrific for the emergency services and civilians that were near by.
But for a whole community to struggle afterwards is a case of we must be sad because we have to be. The last post ffs.
They maybe losing sight of the fact that potentially many more could have died. For closure the families want to know what happened and raise awareness, of what?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 21:32:17 GMT
I agree that "mourning" for someone you didn't know or were not related to is odd but its also true that things like this can have an effect on people in the sense of some sort of displaced trauma. Things like that have an effect on people with no lives of their own. It’s similar to rubbernecking at the scene of a motorway crash. Something to be discouraged. With a slap. That's true. Its also true that I added another sentence after the one you have quoted. I hate mawkish grief.
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Post by dyertribe on Mar 22, 2018 21:37:49 GMT
Personally I find it rather offensive that the families are baying for him to be convicted. Do they think it’s going to bring their loved ones back? It’s all part of a cultural shift to vengeance and retribution, imported fro the yanks. Whatever happened to “having an accident”? Seems so last century (before the ambulance chasing lawyers). When i worked in a blood bank many years ago, i crossmatched blood for victims of RTAs, road traffic ACCIDENTS Now we have RTIs road traffic INCIDENTS. I’m told this is because current thinking is that there is always someone at fault, hence incident not accident. can i say PC gorn mad
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Post by thebfg on Mar 22, 2018 21:44:27 GMT
Have we not gone to rtc now and calling then collisions.
I could be imagining it.
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Post by dyertribe on Mar 22, 2018 21:48:11 GMT
Have we not gone to rtc now and calling then collisions. I could be imagining it. You may be right,however they are no longer accidents
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Post by tecka on Mar 22, 2018 21:54:36 GMT
Personally I find it rather offensive that the families are baying for him to be convicted. Do they think it’s going to bring their loved ones back? It’s all part of a cultural shift to vengeance and retribution, imported fro the yanks. Whatever happened to “having an accident”? Seems so last century (before the ambulance chasing lawyers). When i worked in a blood bank many years ago, i crossmatched blood for victims of RTAs, road traffic ACCIDENTS Now we have RTIs road traffic INCIDENTS. I’m told this is because current thinking is that there is always someone at fault, hence incident not accident. can i say PC gorn mad Not entirely correct, I was hit up the backside about 5 years ago in a hit and run upon reporting the accident was advised the same (RTI not RTA) It confused me at the time so I did some digging and it turned out that some smart arse lawyer got an almost guaranteed conviction overturned as it had been referred to by the police as an "accident" upon checking the dictionary definition of accident the judge let the chap walk. From this point on the police have referred to them as "incidents" so this can't happen again. Fucking stupid I agree but it isn't due to PC its due to smart arse lawyers and an idiotic judge. ETA, I do believe the additions while I typed are correct and they are now an RTC. Also to add I've just realised that it was actually over 10 years ago. And to think when I was a kid I never believed people when they told me time goes faster as you age!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 23, 2018 8:20:43 GMT
Personally I find it rather offensive that the families are baying for him to be convicted. Do they think it’s going to bring their loved ones back? It’s all part of a cultural shift to vengeance and retribution, imported fro the yanks. Whatever happened to “having an accident”? Seems so last century (before the ambulance chasing lawyers). But prosecuting people whose actions lead to the death of others isn't just "last century", if I could be bothered to look I could find instances of, say, railway signalmen jailed for making mistakes from the 19th century.
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