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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 8:53:00 GMT
Looking at boats and unlikely to get exactly what I want. I'd prefer a pump out but think I could cope with a cassette - until I've lived with whatever I buy I'll cope.
Just looking for some info about what is involved in fitting a pump out system.
I think I can assess the internal fit out side of things reasonably well such as how close the loo would be to the tank and what modifications to the tank (likely to be an underbed tank).
What other stuff should I think about? Obviously there needs to be a way of accessing the tank to pump out and a breather but I have no idea whether this could reasonably easily be done (by someone who knows what he/she is doing) on a fairly modern 'standard' narrowboat.
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Post by peterboat on May 31, 2018 8:55:44 GMT
I have removed one of the things and sold the first boat with one, for me they are a pain thats why I went the composting route as for me cassettes are no better
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 8:57:21 GMT
I have removed one of the things and sold the first boat with one, for me they are a pain thats why I went the composting route as for me cassettes are no better I'm very aware of all the arguments for or against different types of loos! .......
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Post by peterboat on May 31, 2018 9:15:08 GMT
When I had my first boat I went to pump out the loo its one day away and one day back to the closest pump out in either direction! They were both broke in the end my mate Dave brought his tanker down and pumped me out after we bodged something together, after that he did it all the time [it was free] Then were out on a six month cruise it was a nightmare pump outs broken not up to the job or to far apart never again for me
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 9:26:17 GMT
Message quaysider, he fitted his own, tank and all. Wouldn't be my choice, but you know the arguments Rog
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 10:10:32 GMT
funny how everyone has a better opinion when it comes to loos.
If you go dump through its easy to fit one, tank in place, loo on top, water pipe to loo, two pipes out the side for breather and pump out, you could drop the tank in yourself and fit the loo easy enough, might need someone to cut the holes and weld the pipes though.
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Post by JohnV on May 31, 2018 10:24:50 GMT
froggy's right about dump through being easy to fit, it has it's own pros and cons. A macerator/pumpout system is no harder but you have a bit more flexibility with layout as the loo doesn't have to be over the tank (on Sabina the loo is about 6 or 7 feet away from the tank).
I have fitted both types and to be honest I didn't find either a problem.
(with regard to quaysider's problem, both my installations had the breather (/s) on the exterior of the boat)
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 11:05:03 GMT
The biggest drawback with our heads is the risk of getting a bit wet if a seacock or hose fails..... On canals I would be looking at a macerator with holding tank system flushed with canal water and a spare 10l thunderbox hidden away for emergency use. A bucket takes less space but not everyone can be convinced to use one.... Dump through are ok, simple and reliable, but, you may need to use chemicals or put up with a stinky head if you go natural. The most important thing as John points out is to have adequate vent via a hull fitting, Quaysiders carbon filters are not the best idea. A 1 1/2" vent through the hull - is a far better solution to keeping the stench down - even better is two vents to allow the air to exchange easier. Macerators score higher in my opinion because you are dealing with a slurry rather than relying on chemicals or bacteria to break the turd and tissues down. Visiting Elsans is the pits. Absolutely no satisfaction can be gained from using one - especially when you factor in the state they are often in. The bog emptying man has a shit job but at least you don't have to get too involved with it Link to small thunderbox. vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=292518298230&category=181397&pm=1&ds=0&t=1526537958000&ver=0The most important thing for any marine head is not to use posh bog roll. This is more than adequate in any type of system. groceries.asda.com/product/view-all-toilet-roll/asda-smart-price-toilet-roll-12-rolls/910001083611
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Post by Jim on May 31, 2018 12:28:45 GMT
Why not compost, we have a couple of experts on here. You could take it home for your Roses.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 12:33:54 GMT
The biggest drawback with our heads is the risk of getting a bit wet if a seacock or hose fails..... On canals I would be looking at a macerator with holding tank system flushed with canal water and a spare 10l thunderbox hidden away for emergency use. A bucket takes less space but not everyone can be convinced to use one.... Dump through are ok, simple and reliable, but, you may need to use chemicals or put up with a stinky head if you go natural. The most important thing as John points out is to have adequate vent via a hull fitting, Quaysiders carbon filters are not the best idea. A 1 1/2" vent through the hull - is a far better solution to keeping the stench down - even better is two vents to allow the air to exchange easier. Macerators score higher in my opinion because you are dealing with a slurry rather than relying on chemicals or bacteria to break the turd and tissues down. Visiting Elsans is the pits. Absolutely no satisfaction can be gained from using one - especially when you factor in the state they are often in. The bog emptying man has a shit job but at least you don't have to get too involved with it Link to small thunderbox. vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=292518298230&category=181397&pm=1&ds=0&t=1526537958000&ver=0The most important thing for any marine head is not to use posh bog roll. This is more than adequate in any type of system. groceries.asda.com/product/view-all-toilet-roll/asda-smart-price-toilet-roll-12-rolls/910001083611Interesting, but how would you get the canal water from canal to bog?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 12:55:41 GMT
The biggest drawback with our heads is the risk of getting a bit wet if a seacock or hose fails..... On canals I would be looking at a macerator with holding tank system flushed with canal water and a spare 10l thunderbox hidden away for emergency use. A bucket takes less space but not everyone can be convinced to use one.... Dump through are ok, simple and reliable, but, you may need to use chemicals or put up with a stinky head if you go natural. The most important thing as John points out is to have adequate vent via a hull fitting, Quaysiders carbon filters are not the best idea. A 1 1/2" vent through the hull - is a far better solution to keeping the stench down - even better is two vents to allow the air to exchange easier. Macerators score higher in my opinion because you are dealing with a slurry rather than relying on chemicals or bacteria to break the turd and tissues down. Visiting Elsans is the pits. Absolutely no satisfaction can be gained from using one - especially when you factor in the state they are often in. The bog emptying man has a shit job but at least you don't have to get too involved with it Link to small thunderbox. vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=292518298230&category=181397&pm=1&ds=0&t=1526537958000&ver=0The most important thing for any marine head is not to use posh bog roll. This is more than adequate in any type of system. groceries.asda.com/product/view-all-toilet-roll/asda-smart-price-toilet-roll-12-rolls/910001083611Interesting, but how would you get the canal water from canal to bog? The same way you get canal water in to a raw water cooled engine.... The correct way is with a 3/4" seacock in the base plate. www.asap-supplies.com/fittings-valves-strainers/valves-spares/seacock-valvesOn a sewer tube on a canal you would get away with a socket welded to the hull side. Screen over the inlet, Valve, strainer then a non return valve after the strainer, job done. Its easier to clear a bag on the side than through the base plate. You'd want a guard iron/rubbing strake above it to protect the screen from getting walloped. I'd go for a socket over a skin fitting purely to avoid the risk of wiping out an underwater skin fitting I'd go for a Blake's seacock by choice, they are the dogs dangles and will outlast you and me, ours 1 1/2" outlet is 52 years old and still going strong. Using fresh water to flush the bog seems odd to me. a seacock needs a little maintenance and an eye keeping on it but not much else.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 12:58:03 GMT
A nasty crude way would be coming through the side of the weed hatch.
Not proper but it would work.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 31, 2018 13:12:35 GMT
Message quaysider, he fitted his own, tank and all. Yes, I'm sure ol' Ginger Nuts posted photos of the installation on TB at the time.
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Post by bargemast on May 31, 2018 17:07:03 GMT
As long as there are only natural products used in Pota-Potties and black tanks of pump-out toilets, and no poisonous products, it's alright.
Personally I think that simple (DIY) compost toilets are hard to beat and will surely find more and more people installing them in the near future.
It's only because of a lot of negative info given by people with no personal experience, and only crap (no pun intended) based on hear-say, that is often making people hesitate for a change
There are quite a few of these rubbish writers on CWDF.
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 17:16:31 GMT
As long as there are only natural products used in Pota-Potties and black tanks of pump-out toilets, and no poisonous products, it's alright. Personally I think that simple (DIY) compost toilets are hard to beat and will surely find more and more people installing them in the near future. It's only because of a lot of negative info given by people with no personal experience, and only crap (no pun intended) based on hear-say, that is often making people hesitate for a change There are quite a few of these rubbish writers on CWDF. Peter. On a whim I have broken my usual rule and had a look, much crap and foulness on this thread www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/96614-naviagtion-q/ and to think they run us down!
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