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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 17:28:03 GMT
As long as there are only natural products used in Pota-Potties and black tanks of pump-out toilets, and no poisonous products, it's alright. Personally I think that simple (DIY) compost toilets are hard to beat and will surely find more and more people installing them in the near future. It's only because of a lot of negative info given by people with no personal experience, and only crap (no pun intended) based on hear-say, that is often making people hesitate for a change There are quite a few of these rubbish writers on CWDF. Peter. On a whim I have broken my usual rule and had a look, much crap and foulness on this thread www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/96614-naviagtion-q/ and to think they run us down! I have come to the conclusion that that type of response (re: CWDF post) is fairly standard Forum response to a newbie. At least here you can give some stick back without getting banned.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 8:12:58 GMT
I put a Lavac sea toilet in my barge - discharging to a small holding tank. Marine exhaust hose for the discharge pipe.
I made up a little cistern for the flush which has a solenoid valve and a float switch. Fresh water goes in there but the alternative is to pull water direct from the canal.
On my off grid boats I use cassettes as pump out is expensive and problematic for a cruising vessel.
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Post by bargemast on Jun 1, 2018 11:04:11 GMT
I put a Lavac sea toilet in my barge - discharging to a small holding tank. Marine exhaust hose for the discharge pipe. I made up a little cistern for the flush which has a solenoid valve and a float switch. Fresh water goes in there but the alternative is to pull water direct from the canal. On my off grid boats I use cassettes as pump out is expensive and problematic for a cruising vessel. You're lucky that you have all these good- and cheap ( but unnecessary complicated "solenoid valve and float switch") solutions, as otherwise it wouldn't be possible for you to survive living on a boat on your only very limited budget I suppose
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 11:10:57 GMT
I put a Lavac sea toilet in my barge - discharging to a small holding tank. Marine exhaust hose for the discharge pipe. I made up a little cistern for the flush which has a solenoid valve and a float switch. Fresh water goes in there but the alternative is to pull water direct from the canal. On my off grid boats I use cassettes as pump out is expensive and problematic for a cruising vessel. You're lucky that you have all these good- and cheap ( but unnecessary complicated "solenoid valve and float switch") solutions, as otherwise it wouldn't be possible for you to survive living on a boat on your only very limited budget I suppose
Peter.
Why is it unnecessarily complicated ? A Lavac toilet draws water in for flushing by using seals on the toilet lids. You can't connect fresh water directly to the toilet firstly because it is a health risk secondly because it would fill the bowl uncontrolled. OK one could arrange a raw water (which means a hole in bottom of boat which is against my religion) inlet but as the boat is on a weedy canal mooring with a dedicated water tap to top the main tank up that would be a bit pointless. Hence the cistern arrangement which has been 100% reliable for 4 years full time residential use for a family of 4. Its okay on my Benetti supayacht in Monaco I have 13 African servants who deal with all the toileting arrangements but on the ditch barge its just me and the misses and kids.
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Post by kris on Jun 1, 2018 11:43:54 GMT
You're lucky that you have all these good- and cheap ( but unnecessary complicated "solenoid valve and float switch") solutions, as otherwise it wouldn't be possible for you to survive living on a boat on your only very limited budget I suppose
Peter.
Why is it unnecessarily complicated ? A Lavac toilet draws water in for flushing by using seals on the toilet lids. You can't connect fresh water directly to the toilet firstly because it is a health risk secondly because it would fill the bowl uncontrolled. OK one could arrange a raw water (which means a hole in bottom of boat which is against my religion) inlet but as the boat is on a weedy canal mooring with a dedicated water tap to top the main tank up that would be a bit pointless. Hence the cistern arrangement which has been 100% reliable for 4 years full time residential use for a family of 4. Its okay on my Benetti supayacht in Monaco I have 13 African servants who deal with all the toileting arrangements but on the ditch barge its just me and the misses and kids. I bet it's cheaper to moor your superyacht in Monaco than it is your ditch barge in east London.😃
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 11:49:25 GMT
Why is it unnecessarily complicated ? A Lavac toilet draws water in for flushing by using seals on the toilet lids. You can't connect fresh water directly to the toilet firstly because it is a health risk secondly because it would fill the bowl uncontrolled. OK one could arrange a raw water (which means a hole in bottom of boat which is against my religion) inlet but as the boat is on a weedy canal mooring with a dedicated water tap to top the main tank up that would be a bit pointless. Hence the cistern arrangement which has been 100% reliable for 4 years full time residential use for a family of 4. Its okay on my Benetti supayacht in Monaco I have 13 African servants who deal with all the toileting arrangements but on the ditch barge its just me and the misses and kids. I bet it's cheaper to moor your superyacht in Monaco than it is your ditch barge in east London.😃 Its less per metre yes.
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Post by kris on Jun 1, 2018 11:50:33 GMT
I bet it's cheaper to moor your superyacht in Monaco than it is your ditch barge in east London.😃 Its less per metre yes. Not counting the servants off course.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 11:54:19 GMT
As they are all under 10 they don't get paid in money. To be fair they need a certain amount of feeding and water also rectangular wooden boxes lined with rock wool to sleep in but compared with mooring fees their costs are pretty much irrelevant to be honest.
No other servants are allowed aboard that particular boat.
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Post by kris on Jun 1, 2018 11:56:21 GMT
It's my fault I shouldn't encourage you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 12:03:23 GMT
Going back to the OP a pertinent question would be have you had much experience in the past of shitting in a suitcase on a regular basis?
It is a bit "different" but if you have not experienced it before as a regular thing i.e. daily then its worth persisting with it for a while before deciding that its crap.
It actually is quite a well thought out solution to the problem.
Its not just the action of bowel emptying and the associated comfort levels which matter there is also the satisfaction of being able to remove the material from the vessel in a straightforward way.
Some people on narrow boats have a quarter ton of shit stored beneath their beds.
Its a personal choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 12:14:51 GMT
As they are all under 10 they don't get paid in money. To be fair they need a certain amount of feeding and water also rectangular wooden boxes lined with rock wool ...... That sounds a bit better than what the RN provided to my wife and her younger bruv when she was evacuated from Zanzibar during the revolution. I think I have a photo somewhere of her and her younger brother being 'put up' in a chest of drawers.
I struggle to remember all the facts but do remember my wife's father being more 'miffed' about having to leave his beloved sports car behind as he screeched to a halt in the harbour and boarded the ship (under gunfire from the pesky arabs). I'm pretty sure the Captain of the ship was happy to go 'full steam ahead' once the last Gov Official was onboard!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 12:40:54 GMT
Going back to the OP a pertinent question would be have you had much experience in the past of shitting in a suitcase on a regular basis? Nope but plenty of experience in shitting in 'long drops' whilst traveling. Some of them I hope would be far from the most disgusting compared to CRT elsan points. One of the most memorable bogs in the developed world was the bog at the Refuge du Gouter on Mt Blanc - if CRT elsans are anywhere near as bad as that I'll be happy to pay a bit extra for someone to deal with my shit.
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Post by kris on Jun 1, 2018 12:45:18 GMT
Just piss in your sink and shit in carrier bags, placing the bags on the nearest tree. The only problem is you have to pay for the carrier bags nowadays.
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Post by bargemast on Jun 1, 2018 15:06:13 GMT
You're lucky that you have all these good- and cheap ( but unnecessary complicated "solenoid valve and float switch") solutions, as otherwise it wouldn't be possible for you to survive living on a boat on your only very limited budget I suppose
Peter.
Why is it unnecessarily complicated ? A Lavac toilet draws water in for flushing by using seals on the toilet lids. You can't connect fresh water directly to the toilet firstly because it is a health risk secondly because it would fill the bowl uncontrolled. OK one could arrange a raw water (which means a hole in bottom of boat which is against my religion) inlet but as the boat is on a weedy canal mooring with a dedicated water tap to top the main tank up that would be a bit pointless. Hence the cistern arrangement which has been 100% reliable for 4 years full time residential use for a family of 4. Its okay on my Benetti supayacht in Monaco I have 13 African servants who deal with all the toileting arrangements but on the ditch barge its just me and the misses and kids. You'll never stop surprising me Andrew, as you write "against my religion", and that while my failing memory seems to remember you hate religion, has something changed ?
There are plenty of pretty safe ways of dealing with holes in the bottom of a boat where water pick-up or drains are connected to, like our friend gazza wrote earlier on :
The same way you get canal water in to a raw water cooled engine....
The correct way is with a 3/4" seacock in the base plate.
www.asap-supplies.com/fittings-valves-strainers/valves-spares/seacock-valves
On a sewer tube on a canal you would get away with a socket welded to the hull side. Screen over the inlet, Valve, strainer then a non return valve after the strainer, job done. Its easier to clear a bag on the side than through the base plate. You'd want a guard iron/rubbing strake above it to protect the screen from getting walloped. I'd go for a socket over a skin fitting purely to avoid the risk of wiping out an underwater skin fitting
I'd go for a Blake's seacock by choice, they are the dogs dangles and will outlast you and me, ours 1 1/2" outlet is 52 years old and still going strong.
Using fresh water to flush the bog seems odd to me. a seacock needs a little maintenance and an eye keeping on it but not much else.
Of course in your case that would only be 1 hole for the flushing water that's aspirated through the vacuum that the Henderson MK5 that's normally delivered with the Lavac creates when you're pumping, if you're worried about block your flushing water inlet, you could use it after a mud-box.
I realise that I'm wasting my time telling you this, as for one, you surely knew all this already, and secondly, your more likely to go wrong system (e.a. if the float-switch gives up) has worked faultlesly for 4 years already.
One other surprise was to read that you're 4 on board, as I'd understood that the rest of your family lived ashore.
The only thing that's important is that you're happy with what you have, so I sincerely hope that you'll continue to be happy.
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 17:43:18 GMT
Why is it unnecessarily complicated ? A Lavac toilet draws water in for flushing by using seals on the toilet lids. You can't connect fresh water directly to the toilet firstly because it is a health risk secondly because it would fill the bowl uncontrolled. OK one could arrange a raw water (which means a hole in bottom of boat which is against my religion) inlet but as the boat is on a weedy canal mooring with a dedicated water tap to top the main tank up that would be a bit pointless. Hence the cistern arrangement which has been 100% reliable for 4 years full time residential use for a family of 4. Its okay on my Benetti supayacht in Monaco I have 13 African servants who deal with all the toileting arrangements but on the ditch barge its just me and the misses and kids. You'll never stop surprising me Andrew, as you write "against my religion", and that while my failing memory seems to remember you hate religion, has something changed ?
There are plenty of pretty safe ways of dealing with holes in the bottom of a boat where water pick-up or drains are connected to, like our friend gazza wrote earlier on :
The same way you get canal water in to a raw water cooled engine....
The correct way is with a 3/4" seacock in the base plate.
www.asap-supplies.com/fittings-valves-strainers/valves-spares/seacock-valves
On a sewer tube on a canal you would get away with a socket welded to the hull side. Screen over the inlet, Valve, strainer then a non return valve after the strainer, job done. Its easier to clear a bag on the side than through the base plate. You'd want a guard iron/rubbing strake above it to protect the screen from getting walloped. I'd go for a socket over a skin fitting purely to avoid the risk of wiping out an underwater skin fitting
I'd go for a Blake's seacock by choice, they are the dogs dangles and will outlast you and me, ours 1 1/2" outlet is 52 years old and still going strong.
Using fresh water to flush the bog seems odd to me. a seacock needs a little maintenance and an eye keeping on it but not much else.
Of course in your case that would only be 1 hole for the flushing water that's aspirated through the vacuum that the Henderson MK5 that's normally delivered with the Lavac creates when you're pumping, if you're worried about block your flushing water inlet, you could use it after a mud-box.
I realise that I'm wasting my time telling you this, as for one, you surely knew all this already, and secondly, your more likely to go wrong system (e.a. if the float-switch gives up) has worked faultlesly for 4 years already.
One other surprise was to read that you're 4 on board, as I'd understood that the rest of your family lived ashore.
The only thing that's important is that you're happy with what you have, so I sincerely hope that you'll continue to be happy.
Peter.
MM either has an outboard motor on all his boats or he conveniently forgets the big hole the prop shaft goes through.... There's less to go wrong with a seacock compared to a shaft log and gland
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