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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 8, 2018 8:12:15 GMT
Why should we pay for people who are unwilling to be responsible for themselves ?The bloke from the welding accident boat claims he was going to insure it when all the work was finished.It's been a project boat for about 11 yrs (I think).Sorry,but this type of thing smacks of begging to me. Are there any photos of Mr Welder and his boat?
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Post by geoffm on Sept 8, 2018 9:52:28 GMT
Obvious 'traveller' scams. Get a wreck of a boat for nothing, remove anything worth having, set it on fire, beg for money.
That - conning and robbing people - is what 'travellers' do. Just like their 'ethnic' counterparts. NBTA want New Age Travellers to be recognised as an ethnic group which is why they are so keen on encouraging and assisting families on boats.
There is a difference between people on boats classed, wrongly, as 'continuous cruisers' and those who consider themselves to belong to a pathetic benefits and drugs based subculture.
All the division, denunciation and misdirected enforcement action, and the 1995 Navigation Act, are a result of the influx and behaviour of those who choose to adopt the attitude and selfish behaviour of New Age Travellers. Something that nobody- except me - seems to understand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 10:07:36 GMT
I don't suppose anyone chooses to live in poverty, appalling conditions on land or water, or without support.
I would be unhappy if the 'just giving' sites were made compulsory, but as we can happily ignore them, I don't see the problem.
I see beggars and homeless on the streets and choose whether to give or not, same with such sites. Have to say I often also think how lucky I am at the same time.
I consider the NBTA (rubbish name) to be the only boater group that truly represents it's members, without focussing exclusively on committees, titles and personal empire building. But it is a young organisation and that may change.
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Post by kris on Sept 8, 2018 10:12:24 GMT
Obvious 'traveller' scams. Get a wreck of a boat for nothing, remove anything worth having, set it on fire, beg for money. That - conning and robbing people - is what 'travellers' do. Just like their 'ethnic' counterparts. NBTA want New Age Travellers to be recognised as an ethnic group which is why they are so keen on encouraging and assisting families on boats. There is a difference between people on boats classed, wrongly, as 'continuous cruisers' and those who consider themselves to belong to a pathetic benefits and drugs based subculture. All the division, denunciation and misdirected enforcement action, and the 1995 Navigation Act, are a result of the influx and behaviour of those who choose to adopt the attitude and selfish behaviour of New Age Travellers. Something that nobody- except me - seems to understand. Not judgemental at all. While I don't agree with people asking for money from the Internet, they obviously feel they need help. By the way where does it say they are "travellers" or "cc'ers" or on "drugs" or "benefits" or for that matter even members of NBTA?
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 8, 2018 10:16:34 GMT
Justgiving exposed as a con: www.trustpilot.com/review/www.justgiving.com"Report them to the Financial Ombudsman" "Useless & impossible to contact when there is a problem!" "THIS COMPANY IS A FRAUD. STAY AWAY!" "This company is taking the funds for themselves"
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 8, 2018 10:32:16 GMT
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Post by geoffm on Sept 8, 2018 11:35:11 GMT
Not judgemental at all. While I don't agree with people asking for money from the Internet, they obviously feel they need help. By the way where does it say they are "travellers" or "cc'ers" or on "drugs" or "benefits" or for that matter even members of NBTA? I appreciate that you like to think the best of people but that is what is taken advantage of by certain individuals and certain cultures and subcultures. I thought 'PCWorld' was the 'other place'. I have my understanding from my experience, observations and research and you have yours.
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Post by geoffm on Sept 8, 2018 11:36:10 GMT
I don't suppose anyone chooses to live in poverty, appalling conditions on land or water, or without support. I would be unhappy if the 'just giving' sites were made compulsory, but as we can happily ignore them, I don't see the problem. I see beggars and homeless on the streets and choose whether to give or not, same with such sites. Have to say I often also think how lucky I am at the same time. I consider the NBTA (rubbish name) to be the only boater group that truly represents it's members, without focussing exclusively on committees, titles and personal empire building. But it is a young organisation and that may change. Rog As above. (response to Kris.
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Post by kris on Sept 8, 2018 11:37:33 GMT
Not judgemental at all. While I don't agree with people asking for money from the Internet, they obviously feel they need help. By the way where does it say they are "travellers" or "cc'ers" or on "drugs" or "benefits" or for that matter even members of NBTA? I have my understanding from my experience, observations and research and you have yours. So you know the people on the just giving page? You can share you personal knowledge of the situation with us then?
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Post by Andyberg on Sept 8, 2018 11:38:30 GMT
Not judgemental at all. While I don't agree with people asking for money from the Internet, they obviously feel they need help. By the way where does it say they are "travellers" or "cc'ers" or on "drugs" or "benefits" or for that matter even members of NBTA? I have my understanding from my experience, observations and research Well dont just leave us dangling...share the love and let us know of your findingsπ
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 13:16:01 GMT
I don't believe people can be taken advantage of in these cases.
Surely the decision to give or not is ones own.
If I chose to make a gift to someone, the money/item becomes instantly theirs, and I have no right to dictate what is done with it.
I usually give cash, and if the person then decides to buy drink/drugs or whatever, it it theirs to spend how they wish.
If this is a serious concern, I've occasionally gone for donating a hot drink and a sandwich, but this is not always appreciated.
I think we all have the right to choose whether to give or not, but I'm personally less happy with judging others on such flimsy evidence.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 13:49:46 GMT
I never give to anyone asking for money "for nothing". If I did then I would have to choose some people over others and that would be discrimination.
I may have the good fortune to have inherited the money from a large cider Apple growing company but at the end of the day money doesn't grow on trees and I would be on the streets if I gave money to all these people !
I am happy to use charity shops (all my clothes and shoes except pants and socks) but I draw the line at just giving away money. It seems wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 13:58:40 GMT
It does annoy me when I'm asked if I have "any spare change".
How am I supposed to know, I'm hoping I've got another 20 years or so left.
Rog
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 8, 2018 14:54:58 GMT
I never give to anyone asking for money "for nothing". If I did then I would have to choose some people over others and that would be discrimination. This is your 94th post on the same subject.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 8, 2018 15:04:10 GMT
It does annoy me when I'm asked if I have "any spare change". "Any spare change, mate?" "Sorry, I haven't." "You must have some change somewhere in that big bag of yours." "No mate, no change, but I could give you a note instead?" "That'll do nicely." So I wrote, "I DO NOT HAVE ANY CHANGE" on a small piece of paper and handed it to him. Never even thanked me.
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