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Post by bills on Jul 21, 2016 20:11:49 GMT
Well my investigations into this option for our next boat have been brought to an abrupt halt after Mrs S's perusal of this thread, and I quote...
"There is no way I am going to use a litter tray for humans, and as for burning used toilet paper!!! Not going to happen"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 20:25:54 GMT
Well my investigations into this option for our next boat have been brought to an abrupt halt after Mrs S's perusal of this thread, and I quote... "There is no way I am going to use a litter tray for humans, and as for burning used toilet paper!!! Not going to happen" I can't see Mrs Gazza taking to it, we haven't a solid fuel stove either, it would have to be a mini brazier kept in the engine bay! I wonder how they fair with leisure boaters? I am at the boat once a week when it's at home, but don't often need a shit and we have proper bogs in the mill.... On the Ouse at the moment - the boat is 50 miles away meaning we can be two to three weeks between visits, can't see that being a viable proposition for us. Winter works is to do away with the thunderbox abd fit an electric sea toilet, we boat on rivers where your shit can still go overboard. The seacocks are there, just need a service and refit of the heads.
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Post by loafer on Jul 21, 2016 20:30:19 GMT
Your bang on the nail with that post Paul,I shall fetch some flameproof overalls while you await a reply.Wandering about a boat with a lump of shitty toilet paper to burn in the stove,what do you do if you have guests,hide it under the pillow? I'm not trying to yank anyone's chain or be critical of Kris. I think Kris did a nice job, especially considering the materials he used. Even if you discount what Kris has to say, just because he's Kris, Peter apparently has been using a composting loo for some time and I think Peter commands a lot more respect than Kris - my point is, this isn't about personalities, it's about having to handle smelly, stinky, foul, germ infested human waste. This system here www.nautiflore.fr/ is pretty economical. If a system like the nautiflore is too expensive, a septic system is easy to DIY - it's just two tanks with one tank overflowing into the other and the liquid that comes out at the end isn't all that nasty. It needs to be chlorinated to kill the germs before it can be pumped into a canal, but on a DIY system pouring some bleach down a pipe and flipping a pump switch is a whole lot more pleasant than dealing with used toilet paper. (I find that aspect of the composting loo totally disgusting.) I've installed quite a few drainfields for septic systems and the liquid in the tanks doesn't smell all that bad. A bucket full of shit is nasty, regardless of how much sawdust you put on it. For Kris' sake I want to repeat, I think he did a fine job building his loo. I just don't see the point behind the whole concept. BTW - paper is just refined sawdust, and paper will compost. So why go to the trouble of handling soiled toilet paper, why not just drop it in the bucket and let it compost?Excellent question. Can we have an answer?
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Post by loafer on Jul 21, 2016 20:34:45 GMT
Well my investigations into this option for our next boat have been brought to an abrupt halt after Mrs S's perusal of this thread, and I quote... "There is no way I am going to use a litter tray for humans, and as for burning used toilet paper!!! Not going to happen" I can't see Mrs Gazza taking to it, we haven't a solid fuel stove either, it would have to be a mini brazier kept in the engine bay! I wonder how they fair with leisure boaters? I am at the boat once a week when it's at home, but don't often need a shit and we have proper bogs in the mill.... On the Ouse at the moment - the boat is 50 miles away meaning we can be two to three weeks between visits, can't see that being a viable proposition for us. Winter works is to do away with the thunderbox abd fit an electric sea toilet, we boat on rivers where your shit can still go overboard.The seacocks are there, just need a service and refit of the heads. Is that right Gazza?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 20:38:31 GMT
I can't see Mrs Gazza taking to it, we haven't a solid fuel stove either, it would have to be a mini brazier kept in the engine bay! I wonder how they fair with leisure boaters? I am at the boat once a week when it's at home, but don't often need a shit and we have proper bogs in the mill.... On the Ouse at the moment - the boat is 50 miles away meaning we can be two to three weeks between visits, can't see that being a viable proposition for us. Winter works is to do away with the thunderbox abd fit an electric sea toilet, we boat on rivers where your shit can still go overboard.The seacocks are there, just need a service and refit of the heads. Is that right Gazza? Yes, lots of boats on the Nene and Ouse have em. the plan is to keep the thunderbox for when we get over to Lincolnshire. Ours when in hire with Herbert Woods on the broads originally had a holding tank and a diverter valve to sling it overboard at Braydon water and Great Yarmouth, the tank is thankfully long gone.
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Post by loafer on Jul 21, 2016 20:55:35 GMT
I am greatly surprised! I always thought it had to be dumped >3nms offshore!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 21:02:13 GMT
I am greatly surprised! I always thought it had to be dumped >3nms offshore! There's been talk of knocking it on the head off and on. I know of several steel boats that have holding tanks and permanently installed macerating pumps that hoof it overboard. Lots of GRP boat's have an awful jabsco handraulic bog, even on the Broads where they are notionally banned.
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Post by kris on Jul 21, 2016 21:20:23 GMT
What is the point of composting if you are just going to throw it in with other sewage? It seems like you are going to a whole lot of trouble, and putting up with some pretty bad odors, and doing repulsive stuff like having to handle soiled toilet paper to burn it, and to what end? Just so you can take a bucket of shit and dispose of it the same way you would with a cassette? It makes no sense to me. I just pointed out what Crt say is okay to do with the results, in answer to a question "what can be done with it legally"
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Post by kris on Jul 21, 2016 21:26:29 GMT
BTW - paper is just refined sawdust, and paper will compost. So why go to the trouble of handling soiled toilet paper, why not just drop it in the bucket and let it compost? [ The paper takes a lot longer to start breaking down than the rest, so you can put the paper in the bucket. But you end up with nice compost with what is obviously toilet paper in it.
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Post by ammodels on Jul 21, 2016 21:30:05 GMT
Whats the advantage over an elsan and spare cassettes?
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Post by kris on Jul 21, 2016 21:32:35 GMT
By the way the system I'm employing here, has been tried and tested and works. I refer you to this Facebook page. Compost toilets for boats and off grid living.
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Post by haulierp on Jul 21, 2016 21:35:51 GMT
Whats the advantage over an elsan and spare cassettes? Its a bit like "The Good Life" the middle classes grab these Fads and they gain traction.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 21:47:19 GMT
By the way the system I'm employing here, has been tried and tested and works. I refer you to this Facebook page. Compost toilets for boats and off grid living. I don't doubt it works, I am for reasons I don't quite understand interested in more grim aspect's of a composting loo. As I said, what happens if you have the shits? A thunderbox can be hosed down, a fixed macerating toilet cleaned with bucket and marigolds. What about a composting loo? Let's face it, in those situations waiting for the pub you are moored outside to open ain't gonna happen!!
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Post by ammodels on Jul 21, 2016 21:49:33 GMT
By the way the system I'm employing here, has been tried and tested and works. I refer you to this Facebook page. Compost toilets for boats and off grid living. I dont doubt it works but wonder at the advantage over an elsan on the canal system where there are plenty of disposal sites within cruising range?
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Post by haulierp on Jul 21, 2016 21:50:50 GMT
By the way the system I'm employing here, has been tried and tested and works. I refer you to this Facebook page. Compost toilets for boats and off grid living. I don't doubt it works, I am for reasons I don't quite understand interested in more grim aspect's of a composting loo. As I said, what happens if you have the shits? A thunderbox can be hosed down, a fixed macerating toilet cleaned with bucket and marigolds. What about a composting loo? Let's face it, in those situations waiting for the pub you are moored outside to open ain't gonna happen!! There is a name for that fascination which escapes me at the moment
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