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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 6:00:46 GMT
From the morning we woke to the referendum result, I fear the issues gazza mentions have been on the horizon.
But wishing can't change anything.
It is clear that a 'deal' which will satisfy us and the EU is not possible. What do you suggest we now do?
I suspect trade will continue to find a way, and that suppliers on either side, are not going to ignore ready markets.
But the truth is NO ONE actually knows what happens next.
That is the real shame of the whole distasteful episode.
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Post by thebfg on Dec 21, 2018 7:02:15 GMT
it's all speculation gazza. it will be no different to say going to the USA.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 7:28:26 GMT
I think the government have missed the most important thing in all of this. Ask the majority why they voted out.
So why didn’t they? Is it because they dom’t want to confirm the truth, that the public have not only lost faith in EU politics but also our own government. As voters we have felt helpless for years since modern politics only seems to be used as a tool to line the pockets of the elite.
They even re-invented the labour party to take away any hope of a challenge to this. Even now all our representatives in parliament can do is squabble amongst themselves. Why don’t they listen to us?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 8:39:35 GMT
From the morning we woke to the referendum result, I fear the issues gazza mentions have been on the horizon. But wishing can't change anything. It is clear that a 'deal' which will satisfy us and the EU is not possible. What do you suggest we now do? I suspect trade will continue to find a way, and that suppliers on either side, are not going to ignore ready markets. But the truth is NO ONE actually knows what happens next. That is the real shame of the whole distasteful episode. Rog Trade will indeed continue - just at greater cost with longer lead times meaning we (the UK) will be less competitive than our EU completion. In our case at the moment our quality, efficiency and name put us above the competition, that ain't going to be enough when cost and lead times rise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 8:42:12 GMT
But surely the reverse is also true. Products which we import could be made here for our own consumption generating more jobs. Perhaps.
I don't know but I bet a lot of people who did vote leave think that is what might happen . Whether it will or not I guess you would have to be an economist to calculate it all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 8:57:51 GMT
it's all speculation gazza. it will be no different to say going to the USA. I'm not sure it is speculation - we are planning for a hard Brexit, anything else is a bonus. There are already problems beginning in the supply chain from the EU to UK - just yesterday I heard on the radio our local clinical commissioning group say they are finding it harder to get some drugs supplied. I also had some work done by our systems electrical contractor, he's having difficulty getting kit from Siemens and SEW Eurodrives, tin hat on he reckons they are just making it difficult for the sake of it, make the UK pay and have a taste of how shitty things will become. Like dogless says a deal is not possible - using the Irish border as a reason to scupper the agreement made with the EU by May is just a backdoor way of making sure a deal cannot be guaranteed. 5 days of discussion in parliament and a vote in the new year will be another excersie in time wasting. Years ago my mate said to me Margaret Thatcher did more harm to this country than Hitler ever did. It's highly likely that Cameron will be remembered similarly. My approach is to do what the people of Raunds do when it rains - let it!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 9:04:31 GMT
But surely the reverse is also true. Products which we import could be made here for our own consumption generating more jobs. Perhaps. I don't know but I bet a lot of people who did vote leave think that is what might happen . Whether it will or not I guess you would have to be an economist to calculate it all. UK market is tiny for us, we obviously work in the UK market but top line growth is greatest in Europe. No way we are going to find a UK supplier suddenly spring up to supply our glass products. Resin is not an issue - Scott Bader produce fine resins but at greater cost - a cost our customers won't bear. A cost that we as a company won't absorb because at the end of the day it's all about shareholder dividends, profit and rate of growth, not being a public service and providing jobs to keep people off the streets!
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Post by ianali on Dec 21, 2018 9:09:53 GMT
it's all speculation gazza. it will be no different to say going to the USA. I'm not sure it is speculation - we are planning for a hard Brexit, anything else is a bonus. There are already problems beginning in the supply chain from the EU to UK - just yesterday I heard on the radio our local clinical commissioning group say they are finding it harder to get some drugs supplied. I also had some work done by our systems electrical contractor, he's having difficulty getting kit from Siemens and SEW Eurodrives, tin hat on he reckons they are just making it difficult for the sake of it, make the UK pay and have a taste of how shitty things will become. Like dogless says a deal is not possible - using the Irish border as a reason to scupper the agreement made with the EU by May is just a backdoor way of making sure a deal cannot be guaranteed. 5 days of discussion in parliament and a vote in the new year will be another excersie in time wasting. Years ago my mate said to me Margaret Thatcher did more harm to this country than Hitler ever did. It's highly likely that Cameron will be remembered similarly. My approach is to do what the people of Raunds do when it rains - let it! I also know somebody that is starting to have supply problems from a EU based company. Obviously this will get worse. If your in a club then leave you can’t expect to be treated the same can you? If we had stayed in and France for instance had left we would have demanded that France was treated as we are now being. I’m not suggesting that our country will collapse, we will however lose many jobs and experience higher living costs.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 21, 2018 9:17:41 GMT
I think the government have missed the most important thing in all of this. Ask the majority why they voted out. So why didn’t they? Is it because they dom’t want to confirm the truth, that the public have not only lost faith in EU politics but also our own government. As voters we have felt helpless for years since modern politics only seems to be used as a tool to line the pockets of the elite. They even re-invented the labour party to take away any hope of a challenge to this. Even now all our representatives in parliament can do is squabble amongst themselves. Why don’t they listen to us? The slight majority have very little to lose. They may have a job, but in that job they are barely better off than if they didn't. This slight majority knows that Britain is a socialist state. Regardless of how bad things might get those 'safety nets' will still be there. And if they have to result to the safety nets there are significant black economies which can easily make bring the safety net income levels up to the same levels as when they had their minimum wage job. So, all this talk of trade problems, tariffs, recession and etc. etc., to this slight majority, is utterly meaningless. Things couldn't be more different for the slight minority. Not only are their higher paid jobs at risk but even if they manage to hang on to them as individuals they face the prospect of having to pay more for those amongst the slight majority who lose their jobs, and those who were previously part of the slight minority but now find themselves part of the slight majority, having lost their jobs. If we look at this it seems that the slight majority are being terribly selfish. Brexit, more than likely, stands to impoverish more slight minority folk than it will enrichen slight majority folk, certainly in the short to medium term. There again, when slight minority folk or perhaps more accurately the system that favours them has dismissed the prosperity of the slight majority, has then gone on to vilify and question the morality of this group, perhaps this selfishness is justified.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 9:24:51 GMT
Sorry Clinton Cool that is mostly all bollocks. Everyone will feel the impact of this rich or poor. Ill health cares not if you are Rich or Poor, if the drugs you need are unavailable are you going to care that someone else is not riding around in as nice a car as they once did. Likewise food, the UK can't possibly meet the demands of the population, having an empty belly because you can't pay or there is a limited supply of food is again a high price to pay for this reset you think is worth having.
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Post by ianali on Dec 21, 2018 9:30:00 GMT
Sorry Clinton Cool that is mostly all bollocks. Everyone will feel the impact of this rich or poor. Ill health cares not if you are Rich or Poor, if the drugs you need are unavailable are you going to care that someone else is not riding around ascboce a car as they once did. Likewise food, the UK can't possibly meet the demands of the population, having an empty belly because you can't pay or there is a limited supply of food is again a high price to pay for this reset you think is worth having. I am bowing out of this. As I said earlier you can’t talk sense to people who just don’t care what happens to our country.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 9:33:17 GMT
Sorry Clinton Cool that is mostly all bollocks. Everyone will feel the impact of this rich or poor. Ill health cares not if you are Rich or Poor, if the drugs you need are unavailable are you going to care that someone else is not riding around ascboce a car as they once did. Likewise food, the UK can't possibly meet the demands of the population, having an empty belly because you can't pay or there is a limited supply of food is again a high price to pay for this reset you think is worth having. I am bowing out of this. As I said earlier you can’t talk sense to people who just don’t care what happens to our country. I’m off on the bus in to town for Mrs Gazza present, i don’t know which is harder, getting the present or arguing with Clinton Cool
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 9:40:34 GMT
I'm with ricco on this.
Shareholders are a major problem because they skew the operation of businesses too much. Its people with excessive wealth who are worried because they might take a hit to their "quality of life". Ordinary people who do normal things and spend small amounts of money and get on with a basic life will be okay.
(Disclosure: I do not own or benefit from any shares)
Not sure why but I suspect there will be a last minute legal challenge and brexit will be binned anyway. This "preparation" being talked about is just a nice little money spinner.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 21, 2018 9:43:48 GMT
Sorry Clinton Cool that is mostly all bollocks. Everyone will feel the impact of this rich or poor. Ill health cares not if you are Rich or Poor, if the drugs you need are unavailable are you going to care that someone else is not riding around in as nice a car as they once did. Likewise food, the UK can't possibly meet the demands of the population, having an empty belly because you can't pay or there is a limited supply of food is again a high price to pay for this reset you think is worth having. If you believe that food and drugs won't be available I'd agree. You can get food and drugs in every country in the world, probably even in the Yemen, if you have a bit of money. I know project fear is a bit of a cliche but it's really hit the mark if people believe that supermarket shelves are going to be empty. Do you really believe that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 9:44:03 GMT
I think the government have missed the most important thing in all of this. Ask the majority why they voted out. So why didn’t they? Is it because they dom’t want to confirm the truth, that the public have not only lost faith in EU politics but also our own government. As voters we have felt helpless for years since modern politics only seems to be used as a tool to line the pockets of the elite. They even re-invented the labour party to take away any hope of a challenge to this. Even now all our representatives in parliament can do is squabble amongst themselves. Why don’t they listen to us? The slight majority have very little to lose. They may have a job, but in that job they are barely better off than if they didn't. This slight majority knows that Britain is a socialist state. Regardless of how bad things might get those 'safety nets' will still be there. And if they have to result to the safety nets there are significant black economies which can easily make bring the safety net income levels up to the same levels as when they had their minimum wage job. So, all this talk of trade problems, tariffs, recession and etc. etc., to this slight majority, is utterly meaningless. Things couldn't be more different for the slight minority. Not only are their higher paid jobs at risk but even if they manage to hang on to them as individuals they face the prospect of having to pay more for those amongst the slight majority who lose their jobs, and those who were previously part of the slight minority but now find themselves part of the slight majority, having lost their jobs. If we look at this it seems that the slight majority are being terribly selfish. Brexit, more than likely, stands to impoverish more slight minority folk than it will enrichen slight majority folk, certainly in the short to medium term. There again, when slight minority folk or perhaps more accurately the system that favours them has dismissed the prosperity of the slight majority, has then gone on to vilify and question the morality of this group, perhaps this selfishness is justified. Selfishness is being a billionaire and using money as a measure of how important you are rather than reduce the suffering of those who didn’t have the luxury of an Eton education. These are the people pulling the stings of the very people you defend.
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