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Post by NigelMoore on Dec 20, 2018 13:46:04 GMT
Just off the top of my head while out on the streets - if the mooring t&c's insist no allocation of berths, then why is the latest bidder allocated the berth you now occupy?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 14:07:20 GMT
I did ask this also.
The main thrust of the argument is the t&c states that anyone who moves positions must have permission. I did not seek this permission I simply moved onto the correct berth when the other boat left. The new occupier never saw that berth empty because I moved onto it immediately.
The mooring manager has used a recent Google satellite view to determine "correct vessel positions" presumably unaware that they have been incorrectly positioned for some time and by moving my boat I have partly corrected this anomaly.
I'm sure the new occupier thought he was getting the end mooring as that was the one pictured on the auction website and (how not strange) is the best spot. It was also the one pictured on the two previous auctions (mine and the other neighbour).
As I say its a silly situation which needs sorting.
If I were CRT I would price the moorings on this site differently. For a residential mooring your exact location can make a difference to quality of life. For example I no longer get woken by heavy footed neighbours as they do not pass my boat.
Previously its all been handled in a relaxed way (basically me preferring to get on with neighbours and not pushing for my correct mooring). Now I finally have it I am going to push for remaining on it because it is how the residential mooring which has individual council tax bills must work. Imagine you were renting a flat. They show you the one overlooking the park but when you get there you find they are giving you the flat overlooking the bin store. I'm pretty sure that's not legal.
OK not as extreme but its a residential mooring so they have to allocate each berth according to the physical address. Surely ?!
Its not a Marina it is 3 linear fixed length residential berths 1, 2 and 3.
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Post by NigelMoore on Dec 20, 2018 14:20:51 GMT
I suspect not. It may sound a little silly, but they possibly wish to retain the control element for legal reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 14:24:34 GMT
That's interesting Nigel. Could you elaborate on that please.
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Post by Jim on Dec 20, 2018 14:26:13 GMT
If you don't have an assigned berth I thought you didn't have to pay council tax. Isn't that one of the ruses to avoid paying it in a marina?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 14:33:06 GMT
Jim that's exactly what I am getting at. The mooring manager wrote in an email to me that the council tax was simply to get residents parking. Council tax is also for things like schools. It is a residential mooring as it has a postal address and letter boxes for each boat and the berths are a fixed length. As it happens they are longer than the original planning permission states but never mind.
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Post by bargemast on Dec 20, 2018 14:50:28 GMT
Jim that's exactly what I am getting at. The mooring manager wrote in an email to me that the council tax was simply to get residents parking. Council tax is also for things like schools. It is a residential mooring as it has a postal address and letter boxes for each boat and the berths are a fixed length. As it happens they are longer than the original planning permission states but never mind. Your story sounds as bad as my story with VNF (the French C&RT), as I had to move due to the emptying of the river section where I have my mooring, the nearest safe place was 15 kms and 4 locks upstream, the work were supposed to be between oct 14 and nov 4, but then they dicided to do some more work between nov1 and nov 30, but on dec.1 I still couldn't go down as they were waiting for parts to repair sluices on a lock gate futher down stream. Now the river is open again, only for a few days, but now they want me to buy a navigation ticket for 1 day to go back to my mooring, which is something that I don't want to do, as I didn't go for a spin, I was forced to leave my mooring, and now I want to go back, which isn't a pleasure trip either. I wrote mails to different VNF offices without getting a reply, and finally wrote a letter to the director of the VNF that I sent to him as a registered letter with acknowledgment of receipt, and I received the acknowledgment back this morning dated the 18th, so they have received my letter, in which my email-address, phone number and postal address are noted, but so far no reply either. This is a disgusting behaviour and an abuse of their power, and I'm most unhappy about this completely unnecessary situation. Good luck with solving your problem. Peter. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 20, 2018 15:01:34 GMT
Inform the mooring manager you are making a formal complaint. This will remove the matter from that managers authority. Make sure any evidence and correspondence is included within the complaint. Cc to Richard Parry when you do this. Good advice. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 20, 2018 15:03:32 GMT
The mooring manager has used a recent Google satellite view to determine "correct vessel positions" presumably unaware that they have been incorrectly positioned for some time and by moving my boat I have partly corrected this anomaly. Google isn't a legit tool - and anyway, their satellite pics are usually many years out of date! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 15:15:49 GMT
perhaps by now someone is having a look at the planning permission and associated drawings.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 15:17:16 GMT
The mooring manager has used a recent Google satellite view to determine "correct vessel positions" presumably unaware that they have been incorrectly positioned for some time and by moving my boat I have partly corrected this anomaly. Google isn't a legit tool - and anyway, their satellite pics are usually many years out of date! Its actually quite recent here. Just before the previous boat left a couple of months ago. I have been on that spot for two months nobody says anything until new moorer turns up  |
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Post by bargemast on Dec 20, 2018 15:56:13 GMT
Google isn't a legit tool - and anyway, their satellite pics are usually many years out of date! Its actually quite recent here. Just before the previous boat left a couple of months ago. I have been on that spot for two months nobody says anything until new moorer turns up Couldn't this have something to do with backhanders ? As it's quite incredible what can be obtained handing these out to the right people. Maybe your new neighbour managed to find the right people, I didn't say he did, but it could be a possible reason for them wanting you to move. Peter. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 16:05:39 GMT
No I have breached the condition which says I must obtain written permission if I wish to move to a different berth. This is true however this condition is one which was inserted in order to deal with the problems of vessels of different sizes coming and going from linear moorings where the mooring fee is proportional to boat length.
It makes sense because it means crt can close up gaps and make maximum use of space. No arguments about that. And towpath moorings do not have PP for residential use so nobody could claim a physical space anyway.
However this condition can not be valid on a site which has individual fixed size berths with physical land addresses That is the problem.
Another problem is that I know all of this. If I were ignorant I would just move back to the other mooring. Maybe I'm simply being obstinate. Its a shame I did not ask for permission to move. trouble is the end mooring is more attractive so they wish to imply to any new moorer that they will be allocated that space.
The same problem will occur again when I leave this boat goes on my spot and the next boat comes only to find they have the address mooring 3 but someone else is on that spot.
Its a fundamental flaw and simply leads to bad blood among neighbours.
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Post by pearley on Dec 20, 2018 16:26:00 GMT
When we bid on a mooring at Sneyd (Walsall) it specifically said it was mooring number 1. That's interesting. Is it a CRT/watersidemoorings site? It was though we were only there for 4 months. It's still a CRT/Waterside Moorings site. |
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