Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 18:48:56 GMT
I know I could just search, but thought it might be helpful to others if I asked the question.
Santa (well me actually, but lets not go there) delivered a new suitcase generator a few days ago. Bearing in mind I'm on a narrowboat with trad stern and CCing, what safety considerations do I need to think about, other than put the fag out before refueling.
|
|
|
|
Post by tonyqj on Dec 29, 2018 19:06:59 GMT
Only ever use it on the bank, downwind of the boat. Ensure that you have working CO detectors. Chain it to something to stop it going walkies. Then we can talk about earthing...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 19:12:01 GMT
Only ever use it on the bank, downwind of the boat. What are the real risks here? I've seen many others not doing this and what if the wind is swirling about? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 19:21:10 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 19:22:56 GMT
Most, if not all generators have a floating earth. Don't run it from the bank. I run mine on the back with the exhaust pointing to canal from the side. Chained of course. I have a co detector and have never had issues with co in the cabin. I've been doing this for 10 years with no issues. It's all about common sense.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 19:28:20 GMT
never run it on the boat. This is what I don't understand - see Jenlyns post as an example of an alternative viewpoint.
Struggling to understand just how much of a risk I'd be taking by running it on the boat.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 19:31:50 GMT
It will get nicked down that way anyhow. Unless you actually keep it indoors when not in use.
Anything gets nicked down that way. It's a thieving area.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 19:43:20 GMT
It will get nicked down that way anyhow. Unless you actually keep it indoors when not in use. Anything gets nicked down that way. It's a thieving area. Thank you for your usual helpfulness and reassurance. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 19:57:04 GMT
never run it on the boat. This is what I don't understand - see Jenlyns post as an example of an alternative viewpoint.
Struggling to understand just how much of a risk I'd be taking by running it on the boat.
Two reasons = it makes an awful racket! It is a risk for co entering your living space - many get away with it like Jenlyn; but it’s a risk I’m unwilling to take. you can put your faith in the co alarm, I’d rather not. i must admit we don’t have the light fingered scrote problem as we use ours either at the club or when moored in the middle of nowhere Earthing problems are vanishingly unlikely to occur however you choose to use it. |
|
|
|
Post by Telemachus on Dec 29, 2018 19:58:20 GMT
CO (carbon monoxide) is probably the greatest risk. Petrol vapour the second greatest. Something to do with electricity, earthing, and shocks, is probably the third.
As for CO I’m not sure it necessarily makes much difference if you simplistically say “don’t run it on the boat”. You could run it on the bank near an open window with the wind in the wrong direction and get CO inside the boat. Or you could run it on a cruiser stern with back doors closed and wind blowing it away from the boat, and not have a hint of CO in the boat. I think common sense has to prevail, and for when there is a common sense hiccup, have a CO alarm or two inside the boat.
Petrol vapour - don’t refuel it on the boat. Simples.
Electrickery. Well it depends on what you are connecting it to. Let us know,
|
|
|
|
Post by kris on Dec 29, 2018 19:59:07 GMT
never run it on the boat. This is what I don't understand - see Jenlyns post as an example of an alternative viewpoint.
Struggling to understand just how much of a risk I'd be taking by running it on the boat.
Your risking death, if you run the generator on the back step of a trad stern narrowboat. Jenlyn is on a widebeam, I also run my generator on my back deck but again I'm on a widebeam. Petrol on a boat is always dangerous. People die every year from running generators onboard. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 20:11:24 GMT
CO (carbon monoxide) is probably the greatest risk. Petrol vapour the second greatest. Something to do with electricity, earthing, and shocks, is probably the third. As for CO I’m not sure it necessarily makes much difference if you simplistically say “don’t run it on the boat”. You could run it on the bank near an open window with the wind in the wrong direction and get CO inside the boat. Or you could run it on a cruiser stern with back doors closed and wind blowing it away from the boat, and not have a hint of CO in the boat. I think common sense has to prevail, and for when there is a common sense hiccup, have a CO alarm or two inside the boat. Petrol vapour - don’t refuel it on the boat. Simples. Electrickery. Well it depends on what you are connecting it to. Let us know, Understand not refueling on the boat.
It will be used for charging batteries rather than using the engine. CO alarms aplenty on boat.
I suppose my thoughts are about what do I need to consider to apply common sense, importantly am I missing something out. At the moment I think I've got it covered.
|
|
|
|
Post by tonyqj on Dec 29, 2018 20:14:21 GMT
CO (carbon monoxide) is probably the greatest risk. Petrol vapour the second greatest. Something to do with electricity, earthing, and shocks, is probably the third. As for CO I’m not sure it necessarily makes much difference if you simplistically say “don’t run it on the boat”. You could run it on the bank near an open window with the wind in the wrong direction and get CO inside the boat. Or you could run it on a cruiser stern with back doors closed and wind blowing it away from the boat, and not have a hint of CO in the boat. I think common sense has to prevail, and for when there is a common sense hiccup, have a CO alarm or two inside the boat. Petrol vapour - don’t refuel it on the boat. Simples. Electrickery. Well it depends on what you are connecting it to. Let us know, Understand not refueling on the boat.
It will be used for charging batteries rather than using the engine. CO alarms aplenty on boat.
I suppose my thoughts are about what do I need to consider to apply common sense, importantly am I missing something out. At the moment I think I've got it covered.
The ‘common sense’ bit is keeping the exhaust gasses away from the living accommodation. |
|
|
|
Post by Trina on Dec 29, 2018 20:30:51 GMT
This is where you hate me...why do some peeps with gennies think the 8 til 8 rule doesn't apply ?Not saying you're like that but we were moored in Stone a couple of yrs ago & the boat in front put his genny on after 10pm.P could only hear a low whine as he's deaf ! I could hear it over the tv etc.I went & had a word... he said he needed it to run his washing machine & microwave.After I'd made my feelings clear,he turned it off & said I was the 1st person to complain.As a matter of interest,he was built like a brick sh***** & looked quite scary.When we moved the next day,he gave us 2 bottles of local beer & told P I was a scary tart !!😮
|
|
|
|
Post by Telemachus on Dec 29, 2018 20:35:05 GMT
CO (carbon monoxide) is probably the greatest risk. Petrol vapour the second greatest. Something to do with electricity, earthing, and shocks, is probably the third. As for CO I’m not sure it necessarily makes much difference if you simplistically say “don’t run it on the boat”. You could run it on the bank near an open window with the wind in the wrong direction and get CO inside the boat. Or you could run it on a cruiser stern with back doors closed and wind blowing it away from the boat, and not have a hint of CO in the boat. I think common sense has to prevail, and for when there is a common sense hiccup, have a CO alarm or two inside the boat. Petrol vapour - don’t refuel it on the boat. Simples. Electrickery. Well it depends on what you are connecting it to. Let us know, Understand not refueling on the boat.
It will be used for charging batteries rather than using the engine. CO alarms aplenty on boat.
I suppose my thoughts are about what do I need to consider to apply common sense, importantly am I missing something out. At the moment I think I've got it covered.
If you are plugging a battery charger directly into the genny then I wouldn’t worry too much about the electrickery side. Purists will say that you should use an RCD but in the great scheme of things the risk of shock is minimal. No more than using a genny in an other setting. If gennies were inherently significantly dangerous they would have built in RCDs (some do but many don’t). |
|
