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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 19:57:07 GMT
Well seems a big defeat in our great leader's plan. How would you vote in the No Confidence vote?
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Post by peterboat on Jan 15, 2019 20:01:09 GMT
I wouldnt trust Corbyn to run a piss up in a brewery so its a no brainer for me
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Post by JohnV on Jan 15, 2019 20:04:19 GMT
Unfortunately for choice, I can't think of anyone in politics who would be any better and most would be a damn site worse
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 15, 2019 20:07:03 GMT
Tricky. IF we vote "no confidence" do we really want a general election? And who would win? Would it put us in any better place? The problem stems from a failure of the whole concept of government as it currently is - where MPs are all about party politics, enhancing their own careers. And somewhere way, way down the list, running the country.
Brexit should have been a cross-party thing with everyone working together, instead of incessant stupid bickering. Clearly Theresa didn't run it particularly well and wasn't up to a battle with the fascist knobends Juncker and Tusk whilst her party were at one big in-fight. But Corbyn would have been worse.
And of course the problem also stems from the increasingly partisan nature of the common people. People get a view that they have acquired from the pub, the daily mail, the Guardian, BBC or whatever. And they hang their entire being on that view, unable to contemplate the possibility that these things aren't black and white, there are a range of valid views and people who have a different view to themselves should be tolerated. The country does seem to be in a bad way at the moment. We are becoming a nation of extremists, following the lead of our politicians.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 20:14:46 GMT
The whole shambolic, embarrassing, debacle has been created and implemented by our professional, career politicians.
We really, REALLY need a general election now to add to the circus!
Article 50 says we are out on 29 March. Unless action is taken I assume that will stand.
One would hope they'd collectively vote 'confidence' and then work TOGETHER to sort this shambles out.
If it wasn't for The Donald, we'd be the world's laughing stock.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 20:17:49 GMT
I have a feeling TM and Parliament has led us to become better than Donald!
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 15, 2019 20:20:02 GMT
I just see the whole thing as a load of nonsense, smoke and mirrors whilst Theresa gets her retirement home ready in a charming village in the Cotswolds, probably not far from Harry and Meghan, little cottage surrounded by roses and CCTV cameras with GCHQ monitoring it all, with a security chap lurking nearby (in the pub). Certainly not the kind of place where 'foreign immigrants' are allowed in, by no means! All gentile, like, with huge 4x4 Mercedes and BMWs on the driveways and a Corvette for the cool young man who works in London as an investment banker. It's a circus, isn't it? There was nothing about any kind of deal in the referendum, nothing about 'backstops'. Still, credit where credit's due, UK politicians are raking the money in and running rings round the stupid public. How they must be laughing in Brussels. History often repeats itself and I can see the EU getting too big for its jackboots and a flare up with the USSR (now called 'Russia') coming. If the EU is so great, why aren't all the other countries in it prepared to let the UK drift away? Who wants to belong to a club where they treat you with contempt?
Still.... back to the beer and crisps and telly, eh?
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 15, 2019 20:29:49 GMT
I have a feeling TM and Parliament has led us to become better than Donald! Just for Donkey. Fight scene starts 2:05
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 20:43:07 GMT
This really is very simple. Most people have no confidence in the bullshiit we have been subjected to, not only by eurocrats but also now our own government. In fact, we don’t even trust our local councillors.
I guess humans aren’t perfect, especially when they get greedy and don’t consider the majority.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 20:55:48 GMT
Ok, here we go.
There was a time when people got into politics because they wanted to make the world a better place..
Now it seems people get into politics because there is lots of money in it and the ‘protection’ which comes with it.
Even those, like Corbyn, who entered politics with ‘good aims’ got sucked in.
It’s just us, the majority, who are left folks
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 15, 2019 21:06:50 GMT
This really is very simple. Most people have no confidence in the bullshiit we have been subjected to, not only by eurocrats but also now our own government. In fact, we don’t even trust our local councillors.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 21:35:37 GMT
I’m actually glad the PM’s Brexit deal (well puppeteer deal) was rejected because I’m probably one of a few who actually read some of it (skipped a lot as my retention span for bullshit is somewhat limited).
It would have been far worse than remaining by a huge degree.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 15, 2019 21:53:21 GMT
Last post of the day for me, and a small selection copy + pastes: Eurosceptic MP Sir Edward Julian Egerton Leigh,The ‘Honourable Member’ for Gainsborough, has been very critical of Maybe’s bucket of shit Brexit deal, and has said that he wouldn’t back it. He’s now announced that he’s changed his mind and will vote for it after all; two weeks after being appointed to the Privy Council. What a coincidence. My my, but you sold yourself cheaply sunshine. That’s not even worth thirty pieces of silver. Why does our honours system most extravagantly reward people who have done very nicely thank you already, without consideration of whether they did so by benefiting or failing the wider community? If there is one thing this whole Brexit thing has shown us good and proper is that we are ‘governed’ by an absolute pile of anti-British, self interested, thick, anti democratic arseholes in which no-one can even slightly trust. Merkel, Tusk, Macron and Juncker will be laughing into their tipples tonight – the UK has spazzed the whole rotten facade of a Brexit that was engineered NEVER to happen. Our so called Hon, rt hon and learned MP’s have fucked our country right up the shitter – and they think we will settle for some soothing anusol cream and just crack on like nothing ever happened. I think they have misunderstood real Englishmen. 230 votes! Oh my word as if the Maybot couldn’t get any more incompetent! I mean, we all saw it coming but still… 230 votes. Two and a half fucking years of wasted time by those supposedly in charge of the country for precisely fuck all. Incompetent traitorous jumped up arseholes. Useless bitch May should now resign. She and the Tory party are finished. Trojan horse May has got Brexit exactly where she wanted it, the last two years have been nothing more than an elaborate hoax, there was never any appetite in either house to honour the public vote. It’s been the most disingenuous negotiation in living memory, presided over by a treacherous treasonous old bag aided and abetted by a political class of quislings bought and paid for by the EU….. Everything May touches turns to shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 22:03:46 GMT
The country is a mess/laughing stock yet most on here would vote to continue the status quo - very strange.
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Post by Albion on Jan 15, 2019 22:20:20 GMT
The country is a mess/laughing stock yet most on here would vote to continue the status quo - very strange. Unfortunately, like many occasions in voting for our politicians it is perhaps a case of voting for the least worst option. Although I think she (and our civil service) have made a pig's ear of it I'm not sure that I can think of a replacement who would do any better. We have been belittled in the negotiations and the only hope is that the EU may now get so worried about a 'No Deal' by default in March that they do come up with a better offer..........but that's a risky option even though the EU has an established track record of fudging deals at the last minute. As far as our own shower of politicians are concerned I would like to see an 'None of the above' option on ballot papers as a method of showing voters' displeasure at the candidates put forward. I think that is better than spoiling ballot papers as that option is just ignored anyway. I realise that my proposal could cause significant disruption to the electoral process but, in reality, in the majority of constituencies the seat is so safe you haven't got a hope in hell of altering the local situation by voting against the sitting candidate. The sitting MPs in those constituencies have an arrogant assumption that they will never be defeated and, as a result, they will never have to really answer to their constituents other than going through the motions. Roger
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