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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 3, 2019 12:35:09 GMT
Shamelessly copied + pasted, but might be useful info for some.....
from CRT:
Update on 01/02/2019:
Our planned works to rebuild the lock walls at Hurleston Lock 4 have been problematic and we have not made the progress on site that we had expected; it has also become clear that the work programme would need to be significantly longer than anticipated, with works likely to run until the end of May at least. Given the impact this would have on customers wishing to use the locks in the spring and early summer, we have suspended works and are cancelling the project this winter. We will be re-opening the lock from 22nd February. The works will be deferred to next winterβs stoppage season and will restart in November 2019. We will use the time until then to review and re-plan the works.
We understand the concern regarding this lock, and the number of boats which have had difficulties in passing through it over recent years. We have not taken the decision to defer the work lightly. We have consulted a range of users including hire-boat operators and other key customers and have concluded that an extended closure would cause significant disruption which we could not justify. We do not believe that the lock shows any signs of worsening significantly but will continue to monitor it through 2019, with our lock-keepers available to assist any boats that get into difficulties using it.
We are committed to completing the repairs to Hurleston Lock 4 and apologise to those customers who are unable to use the Llangollen this year because of the deferral.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 3, 2019 12:42:06 GMT
dor on CWDF says: "Did you mean lock four or lock one. The bottom lock, the first on the canal, is lock 4, often mistakenly (quite understandably) referred to as lock 1."
According to Canal Planner, Lock 1 is the one at the bottom of the flight, and Lock 4 is the one at the top of the flight.
Make of that what you will. I also don't understand CRT's last sentence, not at all. Bizarre.
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Post by Jim on Feb 3, 2019 12:44:22 GMT
dor on CWDF says: "Did you mean lock four or lock one. The bottom lock, the first on the canal, is lock 4, often mistakenly (quite understandably) referred to as lock 1." According to Canal Planner, Lock 1 is the one at the bottom of the flight, and Lock 4 is the one at the top of the flight. Make of that what you will. I also don't understand CRT's last sentence, not at all. Bizarre. Not bizarre at all, translated "if your boat is too fat to fit you'll have to wait another year"
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 3, 2019 12:51:52 GMT
It suggests to me that Lock 4 is preventing boats from getting through. All a bit haphazardly written, methinks.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 3, 2019 13:03:25 GMT
What Jim said. I met three crews last year who had been unable to get on to the Llangollen because they got stuck in the lock at Hurlestone, and according to the volockies there, it's a daily experience.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 18:21:21 GMT
If your boat is over 6'10" (lots of historic boats and many holiday boats not built strictly to the 6'10" beam) you cannot get onto the Llangollen as the lock in question has closed over the years.
The Historic Boat Society have been putting pressure on C&RT since their creation, and I suspect that they will be particularly annoyed by further delays in widening work.
It is, in my view, a further example of C&RT massaging the truth.
They must have known how much work and time is needed to rebuild a lock to full width.
I assume they're just delaying the work for 12 months in a 'robbing Peter to pay Paul' sort of way.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 18:39:42 GMT
they must have known how much work and time is needed to rebuild a lock to full width. Rog Is that a pair of rose tinted specs you have on? I reckon if you quickly said "what's a hollow quoin" to a CRT manager they would probably say it was something to do with WW2.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 18:43:18 GMT
I just deleted my correction about a minute ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 18:46:42 GMT
Yes, noted - I edited it just before seeing your correction. Yes they were previously known as "Hurl stone locks" due to the well known Scrote family who lived nearby but they were rehoused some time ago in a different hellhole so the name has reverted to the original one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 18:51:14 GMT
But C&RT no longer do the work, they employ civil engineering companies, who MUST look at the job, and quote for the work/time required.
This is, and always was effectively, a lock rebuild.
If C&RT actually mean "it's been an expensive year, as this restriction only affects a small number, we've decided to delay the work for 12 months" why not say so, and I am fairly certain most would accept it.
It begins to look like telling lies just comes easier.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 19:00:08 GMT
I noticed the thread on canalworld mentioned the contractor was Keir.
It seems to be partly pressure from hire companies who would not appreciate an overrunning stoppage.
This is understandable. Hire boats tend to be relatively new and the right sort of shape so the 4th lock up ? is a bit tight is not an issue but closing it during the season would be.
Or is it the bottom lock. I thought the bottom lock was the tight one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 19:05:30 GMT
If you've planned and costed a lock rebuild, why would you know it will over run before work has started?
I'm sorry, but I am certain this is just a postponement pure and simple.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 19:11:45 GMT
fair point. There are a lot of precedents so you are probably correct.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 3, 2019 19:32:16 GMT
C&RT will have belatedly cancelled the Hurleston lock wall rebuild because they've realized that their poxy contractors are going to be too preoccupied with trying to prevent, or preparing for, another breach right next to the newly rebuilt, and leaking badly, length of embankment at the Middlewich end of the New Cut.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 3, 2019 19:41:14 GMT
What Jim said. I met three crews last year who had been unable to get on to the Llangollen because they got stuck in the lock at Hurlestone, and according to the volockies there, it's a daily experience. I hope you've no plans to try getting your boat up there, . . after all, you have more than enough difficulties with gaps that are 178' 2'' wider than this lock.
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