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Post by Jim on Feb 15, 2019 7:16:05 GMT
Just recieved a begging letter from cart, "leave us something in your will" with an sae to reply. Which I will, but no thanks, not while money is squandered on lawsuits and my statutory rights as a boater with a home mooring are threatened by terms and conditions. Anyone else had one!
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Post by Jim on Feb 15, 2019 7:21:25 GMT
Here you go! Morning Debbie, how much have you and Big Dick left in your wills?
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Post by JohnV on Feb 15, 2019 8:06:43 GMT
Open your wallet and repeat after me ..... Help yourself ...... Oh Yeah ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 8:22:49 GMT
Well, that takes the biscuit! Not sure how much it cost to send out thousands of begging letters, plus the cost of endless meetings to decide on such a pathetic strategy. It's a Charitable Trust set up as part of a government strategy to rid itself of an expensive problem. It's not shown itself to be "charitable". Send it back with the epithet: "charity begins at home" PS is the blue logo consigned to the annals of history?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 8:26:26 GMT
My reply would be what part of f### off don't you understand.
Only 44 days to go before I leave the mismanaged ditches for better waters and I doubt if I will be back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 8:30:06 GMT
It seems to me to be very invasive.
I wonder if they somehow know who is about to kick the bucket other than by age. Have they bought information from somewhere which allows them to target people known to have "issues".
In this case I mean fire breathing. Someone who puts flammable liquids in their mouth is presumably thought of as nuts and possibly going to do a silly will.
Its rude.
There are laws about coercion with wills.
Eta one nasty inference is that if you don't send the thing back they will continue to ask you the same thing.
I guess eventually "chuggers" will be employed to delicately ask if people would like to give and when they expect to die.
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Post by kris on Feb 15, 2019 8:36:20 GMT
Just recieved a begging letter from cart, "leave us something in your will" with an sae to reply. Which I will, but no thanks, not while money is squandered on lawsuits and my statutory rights as a boater with a home mooring are threatened by terms and conditions. Anyone else had one! Have you ever been a "friend"? I'm asking because I don't think they are allowed to send unsolicited begging letters. So unless you gave your details to the friends scheme, this is probably illegal.
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Post by Jim on Feb 15, 2019 9:24:27 GMT
It seems to me to be very invasive. I wonder if they somehow know who is about to kick the bucket other than by age. Have they bought information from somewhere which allows them to target people known to have "issues". In this case I mean fire breathing. Someone who puts flammable liquids in their mouth is presumably thought of as nuts and possibly going to do a silly will. Its rude. There are laws about coercion with wills. Eta one nasty inference is that if you don't send the thing back they will continue to ask you the same thing. I guess eventually "chuggers" will be employed to delicately ask if people would like to give and when they expect to die. I did wonder if they are in league with the devil and know the time of my doom! As for chuggers, they should recruit the pusher, "Here mate sign this " SHOVE! Splash!
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 15, 2019 9:25:33 GMT
By way of illustrating Jim's point with regard to C&RT squandering money on vexatious litigation disguised as a legitimate tool used as one of the means available to them of discharging their obligation to, in their words as quoted from the Court papers, - "to ensure that the inland waterways controlled by CRT are safe, well managed and properly conserved" - the Costs Schedule submitted to Nottingham County for a half-hour Directions Hearing on 25 January this year added up to £5,107.82.
The Directions Hearing was the fourth hearing - see my 14 February post in the "How much dosh can Parry's fusiliers squander in one week ?" thread - in their now three year old campaign to coerce me into buying one of their fraudulent 'Rivers only Licences'. No Costs Schedules were submitted in respect of the three earlier hearings, but all involved similar amounts of time, work, and travel, so it's not unreasonable to presume that the costs incurred were of similar proportions, making the running total so far in this case in the region of £20,000. Add that to the £15,000(+) they blew on attempting to impose CC'ing conditions/obligations on me in 2014 despite my having a 'home' mooring, and that's one example of the way that these maggots could choose to spend what's bequeathed to them by anyone gullible or stupid enough to make them beneficiaries of their Will.
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Post by Jim on Feb 15, 2019 9:27:05 GMT
Just recieved a begging letter from cart, "leave us something in your will" with an sae to reply. Which I will, but no thanks, not while money is squandered on lawsuits and my statutory rights as a boater with a home mooring are threatened by terms and conditions. Anyone else had one! Have you ever been a "friend"? I'm asking because I don't think they are allowed to send unsolicited begging letters. So unless you gave your details to the friends scheme, this is probably illegal. Yes, still am, that'll be why I've been targetted. I signed up because I do enjoy the cut, boat or no. I am a critical friend though.
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Post by kris on Feb 15, 2019 9:29:58 GMT
Have you ever been a "friend"? I'm asking because I don't think they are allowed to send unsolicited begging letters. So unless you gave your details to the friends scheme, this is probably illegal. Yes, still am, that'll be why I've been targetted. I signed up because I do enjoy the cut, boat or no. I am a critical friend though. Well it's your fault then, you've given them the impression that your willing to give them money to support their incompetence. Have you had begging phone calls as well?
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Post by Jim on Feb 15, 2019 9:37:58 GMT
Yes, still am, that'll be why I've been targetted. I signed up because I do enjoy the cut, boat or no. I am a critical friend though. Well it's your fault then, you've given them the impression that your willing to give them money to support their incompetence. Have you had begging phone calls as well? I'll bet they get more money from you than me, even with your SIAB* discount for making fewer trips to service points. *shit in a box.
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Post by kris on Feb 15, 2019 9:40:26 GMT
Well it's your fault then, you've given them the impression that your willing to give them money to support their incompetence. Have you had begging phone calls as well? I'll bet they get more money from you than me, even with your SIAB* discount for making fewer trips to service points. *shit in a box. I doubt it Jim, but then that's not the point. The point is cart think it's okay to send you invasive begging letters once they have your personal details. Surely this tells you what kind of organisation that your supporting. Do you know the friends scheme hasn't made any money yet? It's costs more to administer than it has raised.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 9:42:19 GMT
The 'remember us in your will' policy is used by the NT, and others.
The NT is apparently the model on which C&RT have based themselves.
However the NT is generally held in high regard for the work it has, and does do to preserve a national heritage.
That respect for it's aims and ambitions has been built up over many years, encouraging members to feel a valued part of the organisation, and giving them 'a say'.
The fundamental mistake made by C&RT management, was in believing they can impose their desire to be 'loved'.
I believe there remains a huge amount of respect for the few remaining bank side staff.
If C&RT management had focussed on building their reputation from the bottom up, promoting and publicising the work they do, seeking to keep the public 'on side' and supportive, and focussing on their work to maintain the system, they could well be in a very different place by now.
Rog
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Post by JohnV on Feb 15, 2019 10:34:54 GMT
The 'remember us in your will' policy is used by the NT, and others. The NT is apparently the model on which C&RT have based themselves. However the NT is generally held in high regard for the work it has, and does do to preserve a national heritage. That respect for it's aims and ambitions has been built up over many years, encouraging members to feel a valued part of the organisation, and giving them 'a say'. The fundamental mistake made by C&RT management, was in believing they can impose their desire to be 'loved'. I believe there remains a huge amount of respect for the few remaining bank side staff. If C&RT management had focussed on building their reputation from the bottom up, promoting and publicising the work they do, seeking to keep the public 'on side' and supportive, and focussing on their work to maintain the system, they could well be in a very different place by now. Rog Rog, all this is so much what I (and presumably many others) hoped for when CRT were formed, it could have been so, so much better. Instead it's been a bloody disaster.
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