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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 13:02:23 GMT
Very happy 10 years on a Caribbean, a great roomy liveaboard, we only swapped to a NB when we left the Broads to live in the Fens, I was concerned that the beam was too much for the locks, a nominal 12 feet but including the top rubbing strake aΔded another 3 or 4 inches Phil You would have been limited to no further Upstream than Oford at that beam.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 13:14:06 GMT
there were some other shorter boats called Bounty. They had sliding forward cabin sections. Nice idea but possibly a bit of a nuisance. Should be okay for a holiday boat?
The value of these boats specially the Carribbeans seems to have crept up possibly due to the residential situation over the last couple of decades.
I wouldn't rule out a grp depending on usage however if the main thing is going on on the Grand Union then ideally you want something steered from outside at the stern with a tiller. It just makes things easier specially around locks.
That's my opinion anyway.
Depends what you want to do. A little cruise and relax or a lot of locks.
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Post by Trina on Feb 16, 2019 13:52:22 GMT
I love the look of the Caribbeans.First saw them on the L&L a few years ago.
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Post by paulhd on Feb 17, 2019 8:33:06 GMT
Harefield is a great base for a boat. You have the wonderful Grand Union to play with and the Thames is not far away. Superb. As for boat size it makes a big difference once you go wide. One of my boats is 40ft x 9ft wide. Does not seem much over a narrow boat but it made all the difference after living on a 55ft narrow boat for 12 years ! Narrow means you can do more obviously but if you are based in Harefield wide is the thing to do. The more natural shape of the accommodation has a lot of advantages. As for materials you could go for a GRP. One boat I really like is the Carribbean cruiser. Proper durable boats they are and lovely bit of room in there. Late 60s/1970s broads cruisers. Could be an option although I do prefer steel for canals personally. I think phil70 lived on a carribbevn Thank you for the info.π I looked up the Caribbean and it is a nice looking boat but not for me. I want the tiller steering.
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Post by bargemast on Feb 17, 2019 9:08:12 GMT
Harefield is a great base for a boat. You have the wonderful Grand Union to play with and the Thames is not far away. Superb. As for boat size it makes a big difference once you go wide. One of my boats is 40ft x 9ft wide. Does not seem much over a narrow boat but it made all the difference after living on a 55ft narrow boat for 12 years ! Narrow means you can do more obviously but if you are based in Harefield wide is the thing to do. The more natural shape of the accommodation has a lot of advantages. As for materials you could go for a GRP. One boat I really like is the Carribbean cruiser. Proper durable boats they are and lovely bit of room in there. Late 60s/1970s broads cruisers. Could be an option although I do prefer steel for canals personally. I think phil70 lived on a carribbevn Thank you for the info.π I looked up the Caribbean and it is a nice looking boat but not for me. I want the tiller steering. If the only reason for you not to look further into a Carribean is that it hasn't got tiller steering, I can't see a problem in adding a tiller steering system,so you'll have a choice on a rainy- or cold day, or if a tiller is all you want, you can remove the front steering completely Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 9:20:09 GMT
Not really enough room on the back deck to swing a tiller I don't think. I have seen carribeans with hydraulic dual helm steering. The lovely "I am driving a bus and its nice and warm in here" indoor steering and they had added an outside wheel (and Morse control doubler) at the stern. Quite handy.
I also like a tiller but an indoor wheel option in addition is seriously pleasant in some situations.
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Post by bargemast on Feb 17, 2019 9:33:45 GMT
Carribeans and Bounty boats only have small rudder, so you don't need a long tiller to move the rudder, the longer the rudder, the longer the tiller needs to be, unless there's a fairly big compensation on the rudder.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 9:38:33 GMT
I suppose a stubby tiller might be doable. Its an interesting idea.
I reckon an external wheel option might be more practical.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 9:42:30 GMT
Good page about wilds boats here fbwilds.horning.org.uk/page4.htmlAmazing to think they started production in 1966. So over 50 years ago. And lots of them are still going strong in many cases despite lack of maintenance and rough usage. Seriously well put together vessels. I've driven the front steer one with the engine in the back on hydraulic drive. It was quite luxurious compared with my boats which have usually been tillers except my barge which has a stern wheelhouse. But on the cut that internal steering is going to be a bit of a nuisance it has to be said.
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Post by bargemast on Feb 17, 2019 9:45:00 GMT
My answer was for paulhd, and he wants a tiller.
On your Carribean or Bounty (or both) you can fit wheel steering if you prefer.
Don't get me wrong, I won't stop you for making it the way you want on your boat.
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 9:48:01 GMT
OK I'll stop commenting on it now.
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Post by paulhd on Feb 17, 2019 10:07:20 GMT
Thank you for the info.π I looked up the Caribbean and it is a nice looking boat but not for me. I want the tiller steering. If the only reason for you not to look further into a Carribean is that it hasn't got tiller steering, I can't see a problem in adding a tiller steering system,so you'll have a choice on a rainy- or cold day, or if a tiller is all you want, you can remove the front steering completely Peter. Thanks Peter, It's not just the tiller. I have set my sights on or similar to a 60 x 11 or 10 ft WB with cruiser stern in steel. Edit: I would also like Diesel Electric hybrid power.π
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Post by bargemast on Feb 17, 2019 11:58:05 GMT
If the only reason for you not to look further into a Carribean is that it hasn't got tiller steering, I can't see a problem in adding a tiller steering system,so you'll have a choice on a rainy- or cold day, or if a tiller is all you want, you can remove the front steering completely Peter. Thanks Peter, It's not just the tiller. I have set my sights on or similar to a 60 x 11 or 10 ft WB with cruiser stern in steel. Edit: I would also like Diesel Electric hybrid power.π For intensive canal use, I don't think that anything will beat a strongly built steel canalboat. There are plenty of 10' and 11' x 60' boats around, although finding one that's equipped already with diesel electric hybrid power won't be easy . You just have to find yourself a boat that thicks most of the boxes that you desire, and then adapt to living with that, or doing the work to make it exactly like you want it to be. Everything is possible "at a price". Peter.
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Post by paulhd on Feb 17, 2019 12:23:23 GMT
For intensive canal use, I don't think that anything will beat a strongly built steel canalboat. There are plenty of 10' and 11' x 60' boats around, although finding one that's equipped already with diesel electric hybrid power won't be easy . You just have to find yourself a boat that thicks most of the boxes that you desire, and then adapt to living with that, or doing the work to make it exactly like you want it to be. Everything is possible "at a price". Peter. I totally agree with you Peter. I will find a boat and have the power adaption made.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 12:33:39 GMT
I think keeping the existing engine in there and adding a pod drive to the rudder is the way to go. Not cheap but true silent cruising and you don't mess with the existing diesel install. Plus with directional thrust and instant torque the low speed handling will be amazing.
Its impressive how little power a canal boat actually needs for nice days when not windy but also impressive how much it does need on rough days on the river.
I'd put a 7kw pod on a boat that size. Have been looking into a 4kw on my 40x9ft inspection launch.
No expert on this so may be wrong but I've used minn kota pods on various (smaller) boats and the truly silent drive is impressive.
aquamot do decent rudder mountable units but not cheap and then you have to charge the batteries.
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