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Post by peterboat on Mar 13, 2019 9:39:44 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that we do need another referendum, with two questions leave with Mays deal or WTO rules, the remainers lost the first one and parliament needs guiding on the current situation, so the original decision doesnt need revisiting at all
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Post by Jim on Mar 13, 2019 9:43:41 GMT
Bit of a stretch to call it a "democratic vote" given what we know now. And what do we know now that we didn't know 3 years ago? Well, it's been confirmed that quitters are incapable of organising a piss up in a brewery, not exactly new though. Are you happy with the way your side are playing? Foxy for dictator I say. You could beat them into shape, inspire a common vision. ππππππππππ
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Post by JohnV on Mar 13, 2019 9:49:42 GMT
So basically what you are saying is that the eu and UK controlling class will ignore the decision of the majority in a democratic vote? To be perfectly honest, it wouldn't surprise me, and neither does it surprise me that an extreme right-winger would support this. A very slender majority, and one only achieved following an outrageously dishonest campaign of misinformation.You mean like the one that is going on at the moment to try and reverse it ?
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Post by ianali on Mar 13, 2019 9:53:44 GMT
Bit of a stretch to call it a "democratic vote" given what we know now. And what do we know now that we didn't know 3 years ago? I for one now know that politicians are actually even worse than I thought. I also know that I no longer care whether we stay or go. I think lots of people just want out now, regardless of their original vote. I doubt that a year after we settle this, one way or the other that most of us will see little differences in our lives.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 13, 2019 10:00:12 GMT
there are several people I talk to who although were "stay" in the vote, now just want out of the whole sordid mess that the EU has shown itself to be.
There is also a building resentment of the way elected politicians are ignoring the wishes of their constituents (I'm not talking Nationally, I mean locally where there were a high percentage of leave votes and their representative is firmly in the stay camp).
If you have a lot of people who find that their democratic choice means bugger all, then that is the best recipe I know of for major disturbance
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Post by peterboat on Mar 13, 2019 10:07:01 GMT
there are several people I talk to who although were "stay" in the vote, now just want out of the whole sordid mess that the EU has shown itself to be. There is also a building resentment of the way elected politicians are ignoring the wishes of their constituents (I'm not talking Nationally, I mean locally where there were a high percentage of leave votes and their representative is firmly in the stay camp). If you have a lot of people who find that their democratic choice means bugger all, then that is the best recipe I know of for major disturbance I agree John another referendum with WTO exit and Mays deal would sort out the politicians remain cant be revisited as we already rejected that
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Post by ianali on Mar 13, 2019 10:11:34 GMT
there are several people I talk to who although were "stay" in the vote, now just want out of the whole sordid mess that the EU has shown itself to be. There is also a building resentment of the way elected politicians are ignoring the wishes of their constituents (I'm not talking Nationally, I mean locally where there were a high percentage of leave votes and their representative is firmly in the stay camp). If you have a lot of people who find that their democratic choice means bugger all, then that is the best recipe I know of for major disturbance I agree John another referendum with WTO exit and Mays deal would sort out the politicians remain cant be revisited as we already rejected that A general election would be better. Gives me a chance to vote for a different leader and party. There is no point leaving the EU to then be ruled by a Conservative party that is clueless. I, and some others I have spoken with would not vote in any new referendum.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 13, 2019 10:21:55 GMT
I agree John another referendum with WTO exit and Mays deal would sort out the politicians remain cant be revisited as we already rejected that There is no point leaving the EU to then be ruled by a Conservative party that is clueless. My word ..... can you think of a party that has not shown itself to be clueless in this unholy mess ? My opinion of politicians, never very high, is just about as low as is possible at the moment.
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Post by ianali on Mar 13, 2019 10:31:11 GMT
There is no point leaving the EU to then be ruled by a Conservative party that is clueless. My word ..... can you think of a party that has not shown itself to be clueless in this unholy mess ? My opinion of politicians, never very high, is just about as low as is possible at the moment. Then letβs hope for a new party. My point is that there is little point having any new referendums when we still end up being ruled by the Conservatives. Whatever the outcome nothing will change.
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Post by IainS on Mar 13, 2019 10:50:06 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that we do need another referendum, with two questions leave with Mays deal or WTO rules, the remainers lost the first one and parliament needs guiding on the current situation, so the original decision doesnt need revisiting at all And will those who voted "remain" in 2016 be allowed to vote? After all, they lost, so why should they be allowed to influence the detail of the result?
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Post by IainS on Mar 13, 2019 10:59:22 GMT
Bit of a stretch to call it a "democratic vote" given what we know now. And what do we know now that we didn't know 3 years ago? This lot for a start This and this
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 13, 2019 11:08:47 GMT
A very slender majority, and one only achieved following an outrageously dishonest campaign of misinformation.You mean like the one that is going on at the moment to try and reverse it ? For clarity, βAn outrageously dishonest campaign of misinformation from both sides.β
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Post by peterboat on Mar 13, 2019 11:09:05 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that we do need another referendum, with two questions leave with Mays deal or WTO rules, the remainers lost the first one and parliament needs guiding on the current situation, so the original decision doesnt need revisiting at all And will those who voted "remain" in 2016 be allowed to vote? After all, they lost, so why should they be allowed to influence the detail of the result? Of course they would, remember all MPS have voted to leave already bill passed etc, so now all we need to do is sort out the sticking point that MPs cant decide, so its a simple deal no deal, no lobbying allowed by media at all so no fraud can be committed by both sides and we leave the day after the result simples
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 13, 2019 11:24:20 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that we do need another referendum, with two questions leave with Mays deal or WTO rules, the remainers lost the first one and parliament needs guiding on the current situation, so the original decision doesnt need revisiting at all And will those who voted "remain" in 2016 be allowed to vote? After all, they lost, so why should they be allowed to influence the detail of the result? The best part of this is it shows what an unworkable nightmare Scottish independence would be. Far worse than this pile of crap!
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 13, 2019 12:01:21 GMT
And what do we know now that we didn't know 3 years ago? Foxy for dictator I say. Not the worst idea. If I had unlimited power I'd have a go at making the whole country a decent place to live in. But then this could mean exterminating a lot of the scum for starters, and deporting a lot of people I don't like, so there might be some objections. But it could be fun to turn the UK into a place that the rest of the world admires. Foreigners welcome - but after their holiday they can sod off back to their own countries
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