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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 9:50:56 GMT
It’s not that the ‘government repeatedly claim Brexit is the will of the people’, it IS the will of the people as shown by the democratic process. .
Everyone who has signed this petition has effectively put their name to undermining democracy. TBH I am very surprised this petition has reached this number of signatures. I don’t know anyone yet who has signed it, anyone else?
Maybe most of the people who DID sign it are just ground down by the whole Brexit debaticle and have given up any faith in our government? The petition certainly shows some contempt of our government in the wording.
What new word will be used to grind the public down once Brexit ends? Demoxit?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 10:04:35 GMT
Petition for a hard Brexit 392,966 Petition to Remain 2,728,265 witter on lads, witter on. One more time, yes or no, are people allowed to change their minds in a democracy? There is absolutely no evidence that the British public have changed their mind. There is a lot of evidence that our government is trying to undermine what the majority voted for. It takes a lot more effort to walk down the street to the polling staton and vote than click a button on the internet. 17 million in fact. 17 million people who are probably willing to protest on the street if our government decide to undermine them and the democratic process. Maybe the whole Brexit thing really has been invented to grind the public down and set us off against eachother in true divide and conquer fashion?
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Post by Jim on Mar 22, 2019 10:06:01 GMT
It’s not that the ‘government repeatedly claim Brexit is the will of the people’, it IS the will of the people as shown by the democratic process. . Everyone who has signed this petition has effectively put their name to undermining democracy. TBH I am very surprised this petition has reached this number of signatures. I don’t know anyone yet who has signed it, anyone else? Maybe most of the people who DID sign it are just ground down by the whole Brexit debaticle and have given up any faith in our government? The petition certainly shows some contempt of our government in the wording. What new word will be used to grind the public down once Brexit ends? Demoxit? Brexit lies, it's not The Will of The People, it's the will of 28% of the populace, a 4% majority. Why not use the facts. I note you avoid the question, "Are people allowed to change their minds, in a democracy?" so what do you think, Yes or No.
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Post by Jim on Mar 22, 2019 10:07:27 GMT
" These Remainers seriously piss me off – nearly as much as the 18 year old flakes who started watching the news on their iPhones “I was 16 at the referendum – I didn’t get a say, & as it affects me, I want a new vote” - so? There are people who voted last time who are now dead – do we get a ouji board to find out if they changed their minds? " So how many times did you and the few others vote in the hard brexit petition?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 10:13:51 GMT
It’s not that the ‘government repeatedly claim Brexit is the will of the people’, it IS the will of the people as shown by the democratic process. . Everyone who has signed this petition has effectively put their name to undermining democracy. TBH I am very surprised this petition has reached this number of signatures. I don’t know anyone yet who has signed it, anyone else? Maybe most of the people who DID sign it are just ground down by the whole Brexit debaticle and have given up any faith in our government? The petition certainly shows some contempt of our government in the wording. What new word will be used to grind the public down once Brexit ends? Demoxit? Brexit lies, it's not The Will of The People, it's the will of 28% of the populace, a 4% majority. Why not use the facts. I note you avoid the question, "Are people allowed to change their minds, in a democracy?" so what do you think, Yes or No. Of course people should be allowed to change their minds. I’m sure if a second referendum took place you’d see a bigger majority vote out now that everyone has seen how the EU have dealt with us over the last 2 years. What I fear for much more than Brexit is that our government are ignoring the will of the people. Something maybe you have just put your name to in this poll perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 10:15:00 GMT
It’s not that the ‘government repeatedly claim Brexit is the will of the people’, it IS the will of the people as shown by the democratic process. . Everyone who has signed this petition has effectively put their name to undermining democracy. TBH I am very surprised this petition has reached this number of signatures. I don’t know anyone yet who has signed it, anyone else? Maybe most of the people who DID sign it are just ground down by the whole Brexit debaticle and have given up any faith in our government? The petition certainly shows some contempt of our government in the wording. What new word will be used to grind the public down once Brexit ends? Demoxit? Brexit lies, it's not The Will of The People, it's the will of 28% of the populace, a 4% majority. Why not use the facts. I note you avoid the question, "Are people allowed to change their minds, in a democracy?" so what do you think, Yes or No. Fuckit
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 10:18:34 GMT
" These Remainers seriously piss me off – nearly as much as the 18 year old flakes who started watching the news on their iPhones “I was 16 at the referendum – I didn’t get a say, & as it affects me, I want a new vote” - so? There are people who voted last time who are now dead – do we get a ouji board to find out if they changed their minds? " So how many times did you and the few others vote in the hard brexit petition? Anyone can make up a new email address and use someone’s name and address in an internet poll. That’s why these internet polls are not very democratic. That’s why it’s important not to get to attached to them Jim.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 22, 2019 10:19:54 GMT
It’s not that the ‘government repeatedly claim Brexit is the will of the people’, it IS the will of the people as shown by the democratic process. . Everyone who has signed this petition has effectively put their name to undermining democracy. TBH I am very surprised this petition has reached this number of signatures. I don’t know anyone yet who has signed it, anyone else? Maybe most of the people who DID sign it are just ground down by the whole Brexit debaticle and have given up any faith in our government? The petition certainly shows some contempt of our government in the wording. What new word will be used to grind the public down once Brexit ends? Demoxit? Brexit lies, it's not The Will of The People, it's the will of 28% of the populace, a 4% majority. Why not use the facts. I note you avoid the question, "Are people allowed to change their minds, in a democracy?" so what do you think, Yes or No. There were 45.8 million registered voters in 2016 so how is 17.4 million 28% of that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 10:26:56 GMT
. I don’t know anyone yet who has signed it, anyone else? I know quite a few people who have signed it.
I voted for Brexit expecting sense would prevail and that it would be a soft Brexit. Given the choice between a hard Brexit or no Brexit I'd choose no Brexit. I suspect there are enough people like me to sway the vote if those two options were put to the people.
Yes, well this comes down to most people like me being happy with the common market. We never had a vote to join the European State. We have effectively been blackmailed by the EU. ‘if you leave, you can’t stay in the common market’. However, as I have said before, democracy is more important to me than Brexit. I just wish more people could see how Brexit is being used to break it down along with our will.
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Post by thebfg on Mar 22, 2019 10:49:03 GMT
Petition for a hard Brexit 392,966 Petition to Remain 2,728,265 witter on lads, witter on. One more time, yes or no, are people allowed to change their minds in a democracy? The two polls aren't really comparable. We dont know how many people who voted remain wanted a hard exit or not. We dont know how many people who voted remain have voted in that for a hard exit, because now they know how we are leaving they want a say in it. Yes people change their minds both ways. How many people on both of those polls are able to vote. It's all a matter of bollocks to be honest. And yes people are allowed to change their minds, both ways. You keep asking and we keep answering
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 12:10:52 GMT
We have effectively been blackmailed by the EU. ‘if you leave, you can’t stay in the common market’. My understanding (and I may be wrong), is if we had chosen a Norway+ type of agreement we can stay in the 'common market'. I think that’s true if I understand correctly.
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Post by Jim on Mar 22, 2019 12:25:42 GMT
Brexit lies, it's not The Will of The People, it's the will of 28% of the populace, a 4% majority. Why not use the facts. I note you avoid the question, "Are people allowed to change their minds, in a democracy?" so what do you think, Yes or No. There were 45.8 million registered voters in 2016 so how is 17.4 million 28% of that? aw bless, a Quitling struggling to understand. 28% of the populace, not the part of the population who voted. Next time just ask Shania, she will explain....
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 22, 2019 13:33:50 GMT
There were 45.8 million registered voters in 2016 so how is 17.4 million 28% of that? aw bless, a Quitling struggling to understand. 28% of the populace, not the part of the population who voted. Next time just ask Shania, she will explain.... Oh I see. So you are including in the percentage who didn't vote for Brexit, people who are not eligible to vote because they have not reached voting age, or are prisoners etc? Clutching at straws, much?
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Post by Jim on Mar 22, 2019 15:15:28 GMT
aw bless, a Quitling struggling to understand. 28% of the populace, not the part of the population who voted. Next time just ask Shania, she will explain.... Oh I see. So you are including in the percentage who didn't vote for Brexit, people who are not eligible to vote because they have not reached voting age, or are prisoners etc? Clutching at straws, much? People affected by this whole debacle. Or are the 28% going to insulate them financially? If we have a hard Brexit would you like to pay swmbo's health insurance next time we go to Spain?
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 22, 2019 15:48:21 GMT
One more time, yes or no, are people allowed to change their minds in a democracy? Yes, of course they are. When it's time to vote. Like in another 40 years as regards the EU!
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