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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 11, 2019 15:48:13 GMT
I sent an e-mail to Axalta (took over Rylard Paints) last Saturday - no reply as of now (Thursday evening).
I sent an e-mail to Keelblack last Saturday - no reply.
I sent an e-mail yesterday evening to SML Paints - polite and friendly reply within the hour! Vinyguard Silvergrey at £28 for 5 litres, this is a 'vinyl undercoat' that will stick to anything, and their Black Ballastic at £30 for 5 litres which sticks to Silvergrey. Might go for them (seem to be Jotun products).
Poor service from Axalta. Poor service from Keelblack. Good service from SML Paints.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 11, 2019 15:55:54 GMT
which do you prefer a fast reply to an email? .... or good paint?
the two don't necessarily go together
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 11, 2019 17:06:25 GMT
which do you prefer a fast reply to an email? .... or good paint? the two don't necessarily go together Is there anything wrong with the SML paints I mentioned? The more I read about blacking paints, the more confused I'm getting! After 4 days, I feel that Keelblack aren't too interested in selling their paint.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 11, 2019 17:31:53 GMT
which do you prefer a fast reply to an email? .... or good paint? the two don't necessarily go together Is there anything wrong with the SML paints I mentioned? The more I read about blacking paints, the more confused I'm getting! After 4 days, I feel that Keelblack aren't too interested in selling their paint. I have never heard of them but just because they answer an email quickly, only tells you that they are good at answering emails quickly
.... nothing more .... nothing less
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 11, 2019 17:52:05 GMT
Is there anything wrong with the SML paints I mentioned? The more I read about blacking paints, the more confused I'm getting! After 4 days, I feel that Keelblack aren't too interested in selling their paint. I have never heard of them but just because they answer an email quickly, only tells you that they are good at answering emails quickly
.... nothing more .... nothing less I shall hopefully know more this time tomorrow after a phone call in the afternoon... ...sometimes I wonder whether it was worth getting a boat at all. No-one ever knows anything, boatyards are always slow to do anything, everything is outlandishly expensive, and boaters - as I had always suspected - are a peculiar lot. I may as well have run away and joined the Circus. Well, looks like I'm half-way there with Jim here.
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Post by Jim on Apr 13, 2019 17:24:53 GMT
I have never heard of them but just because they answer an email quickly, only tells you that they are good at answering emails quickly
.... nothing more .... nothing less I shall hopefully know more this time tomorrow after a phone call in the afternoon... ...sometimes I wonder whether it was worth getting a boat at all. No-one ever knows anything, boatyards are always slow to do anything, everything is outlandishly expensive, and boaters - as I had always suspected - are a peculiar lot. I may as well have run away and joined the Circus. Well, looks like I'm half-way there with Jim here. Nip round and clean out the lions, there's a good chap. I spoke to keelblack first time round, very helpful. Except they reccomended a small open roller, didn't work, bitumen gathered in the plastic bushes round the spindle and clarted it up. Used a paint pad, this time I'll use a fence paint brush. Store brush or whatever in water overnight and it will be usable next day.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 13, 2019 17:48:19 GMT
Keelblack haven't replied after a week - still a possibility though. What I have mostly in mind is SML's: First this and then this on top
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 13, 2019 17:52:19 GMT
"We used Ballistic Black a year ago. Quite impressed. Asked for advice from SML due to the several different blacking that have been used over the years. They said that after pressure washing to give 2 1/2 coats of Vinyguard primer followed by 2 full coats of Ballistic Black with a further coat around the waterline. So it does mean a full 7 days out of the water. A year on, there are patches on the waterline rubbing steaks where the black has gone but the silver primer is still there. The blacking is very thick to apply and it is easy to see at those places where the hull has been scraped that it sort of spreads the blacking along rather than scraping it off." www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/90290-keel-black-ballistic-black/
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 13, 2019 17:53:20 GMT
"Have had Keel Black applied and it is failing - not only on my boat but on 4 or 5 other boats which have been done. I am told that the makers of Keel Black now advise that the anti rust primer must "go off" for 4 days before the keel black is applied. This would mean (for me) a double dry dock charge on the top of the increased cost of the Keel Black. So any thought of saving money in the long run is now outweighed by the increased costs during application. End result is that the Keel Black is going to have to come off and will be replaced by ordinary black. I have been told that the makers of Keel Black have not been too much help and are denying any responsibility for the failure. I will be down at the boat yard next week and will make further inquiries to get to the bottom of what I was told over the telephone." www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/90290-keel-black-ballistic-black/
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 13, 2019 18:32:10 GMT
"Final bits of paintwork before it is back in the water. Betty has basically been dipped in jotamastic 87 and there isn’t hardly an inch that hasn’t had at least one coat of the stuff. Below the waterline, we are topping this off with a couple of coats of ballastic black, a more traditional style blacking that has some bitumen in it and is less prone to showing any minor dinks (of which there will be none of course!). A shout out here to SML paints who I have called endlessly over the four years. They have been faultlessly patient and responded to all my questions about what I can layer on what, antifoul, different thinners for two pack paint… you can imagine how painful this must have been for them at times but they were never not charming." betaiiifireboat.com/2017/10/06/ballistic-black/
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Post by ianali on Apr 13, 2019 20:56:07 GMT
I think the Fox is overthinking his blacking. I suspect whatever you use will last a couple of years then need redoing. Like us Ross you cruise a fair few miles. If like us you occasionally bump into things you will remove any coating. My thoughts are that you should stop obsessing and get it blacked, then forget it for a couple of years. Go boating, you know it makes sense 😀
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Post by patty on Apr 14, 2019 5:09:10 GMT
I think the Fox has a tendency to overthink a lot of stuff judging by the postings on here. Nowt wrong with that as I tend to do that when I'm tacking a project...I need to know what I'm doing is right.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 14, 2019 8:42:15 GMT
I shall hopefully know more this time tomorrow after a phone call in the afternoon... ...sometimes I wonder whether it was worth getting a boat at all. No-one ever knows anything, boatyards are always slow to do anything, everything is outlandishly expensive, and boaters - as I had always suspected - are a peculiar lot. I may as well have run away and joined the Circus. Well, looks like I'm half-way there with Jim here. Nip round and clean out the lions, there's a good chap. I spoke to keelblack first time round, very helpful. Except they reccomended a small open roller, didn't work, bitumen gathered in the plastic bushes round the spindle and clarted it up. Used a paint pad, this time I'll use a fence paint brush. Store brush or whatever in water overnight and it will be usable next day. Jim buy the biggest and cheapest you can find, they clog up as well, thats why I sprayed both boats last time, that worked well and was very fast to say the least
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Post by peterboat on Apr 14, 2019 8:45:03 GMT
"Have had Keel Black applied and it is failing - not only on my boat but on 4 or 5 other boats which have been done. I am told that the makers of Keel Black now advise that the anti rust primer must "go off" for 4 days before the keel black is applied. This would mean (for me) a double dry dock charge on the top of the increased cost of the Keel Black. So any thought of saving money in the long run is now outweighed by the increased costs during application. End result is that the Keel Black is going to have to come off and will be replaced by ordinary black. I have been told that the makers of Keel Black have not been too much help and are denying any responsibility for the failure. I will be down at the boat yard next week and will make further inquiries to get to the bottom of what I was told over the telephone." www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/90290-keel-black-ballistic-black/And yet John mu neighbours boat keelblack didnt come off, we applied the rust killer, washed it off with powerwash and then put on three coats in the one day
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Post by JohnV on Apr 14, 2019 10:46:36 GMT
"Have had Keel Black applied and it is failing - not only on my boat but on 4 or 5 other boats which have been done. I am told that the makers of Keel Black now advise that the anti rust primer must "go off" for 4 days before the keel black is applied. This would mean (for me) a double dry dock charge on the top of the increased cost of the Keel Black. So any thought of saving money in the long run is now outweighed by the increased costs during application. End result is that the Keel Black is going to have to come off and will be replaced by ordinary black. I have been told that the makers of Keel Black have not been too much help and are denying any responsibility for the failure. I will be down at the boat yard next week and will make further inquiries to get to the bottom of what I was told over the telephone." www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?/topic/90290-keel-black-ballistic-black/If they were using that Fertan rust cure it's probable they did not read the instructions properly. 24/48 hours to cure are the instructions on the Fertan label nothing to do with Keelblack. In fact Fertan tell you to moisten it if it dries too quickly !!! The guy complaining about Keelblack is an idiot, he should learn to read instructions. If he doesn't want 48 hours delay then use a different rust preventer. (It is the main reason I don't like using Fertan ..... I prefer the Flag rust cure as it goes off within a few hours and you just paint straight over it.)
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