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Post by kris on Apr 11, 2019 21:46:16 GMT
Here's an extract from a C&RT e-mail concerning the caravan boat : In the event that Mr Szymanski is now able to secure a valid home mooring, and he can show that he has both insurance and a boat safety certificate , then the Trust will be required to provide a licence for the boat upon payment of the licence fee. However, please note that in this instance, if the boat is intended to be used for navigation then this licence would be immediately terminated under clause 8.3 of the Terms and Conditions, citing a breach of clause 7.3 which states that a boat must be fit for navigation on any waterway where it is intended to be used. the fact that Mr Szymanski is now required to secure a valid home mooring suggests that he has previously not fulfilled the requirements of making a continuous cruiser declaration, This is factually incorrect as has been reported he has had a winter mooring for the last six months, if he had not been full filling the requirements of his liscence before he wouldn't have been allowed to take a winter mooring.
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Post by Allan on Apr 11, 2019 21:46:34 GMT
I was asking the question to try and understand if C&RT are just having a pop at me or others are getting this threatening email claiming non-response to a previous email. I don't know of anyone else on the receiving end of this specific threat, Allan, but I do know of two other instances where it appears that the purpose behind the communication is primarily to test the effectiveness of their unenforceable and largely ultra vires Licence T&C's. The owner of the floating caravan boat in the North London area is being refused a licence on the basis of clause 7.3, despite complying in all respects with the 'relevant consent' conditions laid down in S.17 of the 1995 Act, and Andy Wingfield was re-classified, via a vague and unsigned e-mail, as a CC'er only a matter of days after renewing his PBC on the basis of having a 'home' mooring. Here's an extract from a C&RT e-mail concerning the caravan boat : In the event that Mr Szymanski is now able to secure a valid home mooring, and he can show that he has both insurance and a boat safety certificate , then the Trust will be required to provide a licence for the boat upon payment of the licence fee. However, please note that in this instance, if the boat is intended to be used for navigation then this licence would be immediately terminated under clause 8.3 of the Terms and Conditions, citing a breach of clause 7.3 which states that a boat must be fit for navigation on any waterway where it is intended to be used.and here's the e-mail sent to Andy Wingfield :Dear Andy Wingfield,
We are dropping you a quick line to acknowledge that you recently changed the home mooring of your boat HILDEGARD from Barton In Fabis - Mooring to Continuous Cruiser
If we need to confirm any of the details, or require more information, a member of the team will be in touch.
Happy boating,
Boat Licensing Team
PO Box 162 Leeds LS9 1AX T 0303 040 4040 or Use our contact form Here
Mon to Fri, 8am to 6pm www.canalrivertrust.org.uk/licensing
How long will it be before Andy W starts getting e-mails saying that he isn't cruising 'in accordance with the terms of his Licence' ? This is, of course, my concern. Despite C&RT having my insurance details (insurer, policy number, expiry date and certificate), they are making further demands based on a communication not received. They are not being specific as to what information they require and the legal basis on which it is demanded. So the question remains - has anyone received similar threats?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 21:47:45 GMT
Cor you do like making it difficult for yourself, just send them copies its not hard is it. Oh I forgot you like to stir trouble to feed whatever crap you are writing for these days. On the contrary, I try to make life easy for myself. I provided an updated copy of my insurance certificate (showing the new expiry date) when I applied for my last licence despite being told that this is not required. Allan you are well known for being anti crt, no matter whether they are right or wrong. Stop being a pillock and just send what is being asked for.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 11, 2019 21:57:38 GMT
I don't know of anyone else on the receiving end of this specific threat, Allan, but I do know of two other instances where it appears that the purpose behind the communication is primarily to test the effectiveness of their unenforceable and largely ultra vires Licence T&C's. The owner of the floating caravan boat in the North London area is being refused a licence on the basis of clause 7.3, despite complying in all respects with the 'relevant consent' conditions laid down in S.17 of the 1995 Act, and Andy Wingfield was re-classified, via a vague and unsigned e-mail, as a CC'er only a matter of days after renewing his PBC on the basis of having a 'home' mooring. Here's an extract from a C&RT e-mail concerning the caravan boat : In the event that Mr Szymanski is now able to secure a valid home mooring, and he can show that he has both insurance and a boat safety certificate , then the Trust will be required to provide a licence for the boat upon payment of the licence fee. However, please note that in this instance, if the boat is intended to be used for navigation then this licence would be immediately terminated under clause 8.3 of the Terms and Conditions, citing a breach of clause 7.3 which states that a boat must be fit for navigation on any waterway where it is intended to be used.and here's the e-mail sent to Andy Wingfield :Dear Andy Wingfield,
We are dropping you a quick line to acknowledge that you recently changed the home mooring of your boat HILDEGARD from Barton In Fabis - Mooring to Continuous Cruiser
If we need to confirm any of the details, or require more information, a member of the team will be in touch.
Happy boating,
Boat Licensing Team
PO Box 162 Leeds LS9 1AX T 0303 040 4040 or Use our contact form Here
Mon to Fri, 8am to 6pm www.canalrivertrust.org.uk/licensing
How long will it be before Andy W starts getting e-mails saying that he isn't cruising 'in accordance with the terms of his Licence' ? This is, of course, my concern. Despite C&RT having my insurance details (insurer, policy number, expiry date and certificate), they are making further demands based on a communication not received. They are not being specific as to what information they require and the legal basis on which it is demanded. So the question remains - has anyone received similar threats? I haven't. Why don't you just forward them the email you will have received from your insurer at renewal containing all of your insurance details and then let them sift through it?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Apr 11, 2019 22:01:41 GMT
On the contrary, I try to make life easy for myself. I provided an updated copy of my insurance certificate (showing the new expiry date) when I applied for my last licence despite being told that this is not required. Allan you are well known for being anti crt, no matter whether they are right or wrong. That statement cannot be rated as anything more than pure supposition, . . there is no instance on record when C&RT have ever been shown to have been right about anything !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 22:03:33 GMT
This is, of course, my concern. Despite C&RT having my insurance details (insurer, policy number, expiry date and certificate), they are making further demands based on a communication not received. They are not being specific as to what information they require and the legal basis on which it is demanded. So the question remains - has anyone received similar threats? I haven't. Why don't you just forward them the email you will have received from your insurer at renewal containing all of your insurance details and then let them sift through it? I would have thought the chances of finding anybody on here who has recieved the same email are minute. It would need to be somebody who 'claims' they never recieved the randomnly sent original, and now recieved the follow up, and be a member on here. Very slim chance i would say, and what if someone did? Mr, awkward would still have to comply.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 22:04:33 GMT
Allan you are well known for being anti crt, no matter whether they are right or wrong. That statement cannot be rated as anything more than pure supposition, . . there is no instance on record when C&RT have ever been shown to have been right about anything ! An opinion you are entitled to hold, even though its incorrect.
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Post by Allan on Apr 11, 2019 22:12:57 GMT
Cor you do like making it difficult for yourself, just send them copies its not hard is it. Oh I forgot you like to stir trouble to feed whatever crap you are writing for these days. Exactly. Im fairly sure whilst we were boaters one routinely had to send a copy of our insurance at licence renewal time. They then ceased this and switched to randomn checks, this was from memory well publicised. So what we have here is a classic 'storm in a teacup'. A missing email, or one that has been accidentally deleted or has dropped into the recipients spam/junk mail. Some people are well versed in pursuing trouble even when there isnt an issue. Yes emails do go missing. However, I'm not sure how you can suggest that a threat to revoke my licence is not an issue! C&RT have been asked to resend the missing email. It has also been pointed out to them that details of the insurer, policy number, expiry date and certificate are available on their website. What I am trying to get a handle on is - am I being targeted or is this another cock up
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 22:18:20 GMT
Exactly. Im fairly sure whilst we were boaters one routinely had to send a copy of our insurance at licence renewal time. They then ceased this and switched to randomn checks, this was from memory well publicised. So what we have here is a classic 'storm in a teacup'. A missing email, or one that has been accidentally deleted or has dropped into the recipients spam/junk mail. Some people are well versed in pursuing trouble even when there isnt an issue. Yes emails do go missing. However, I'm not sure how you can suggest that a threat to revoke my licence is not an issue! C&RT have been asked to resend the missing email. It has also been pointed out to them that details of the insurer, policy number, expiry date and certificate are available on their website. What I am trying to get a handle on is - am I being targeted or is this another cock up Its a cock up, either on your part for missing the original email or deleting it, or on the part of crt for not sending the original. I would have thought that was obvious.
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Post by Allan on Apr 11, 2019 22:47:16 GMT
Yes emails do go missing. However, I'm not sure how you can suggest that a threat to revoke my licence is not an issue! C&RT have been asked to resend the missing email. It has also been pointed out to them that details of the insurer, policy number, expiry date and certificate are available on their website. What I am trying to get a handle on is - am I being targeted or is this another cock up Its a cock up, either on your part for missing the original email or deleting it, or on the part of crt for not sending the original. I would have thought that was obvious. You appear to be completely oblivious of C&RT's attempts to prevent me from expressing my views over the last year or so ... ***** Edited to add that I don't exclude the cock-up theory and await C&RT's response.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 22:52:00 GMT
Its a cock up, either on your part for missing the original email or deleting it, or on the part of crt for not sending the original. I would have thought that was obvious. You appear to be completely oblivious of C&RT's attempts to prevent me from expressing my views over the last year or so ... On where? You are expressing your views here are you not?
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Post by Allan on Apr 11, 2019 22:56:36 GMT
You appear to be completely oblivious of C&RT's attempts to prevent me from expressing my views over the last year or so ... On where? You are expressing your views here are you not? I thought that you might be better informed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 23:02:30 GMT
On where? You are expressing your views here are you not? I thought that you might be better informed. By who? It may come as a surprise to you Allan but not everybody follows your every word. Istr you recall you had something to do with nbw at one point and then some comic called the turd or sommething similar but beyond that i have not a clue what you are on about.
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Post by Allan on Apr 11, 2019 23:20:11 GMT
I thought that you might be better informed. By who? Tom Deards, C&RT's head of legal & governance services and company secretary threatened legal action against me. As I say, I thought you might be better informed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 23:30:21 GMT
By who? It may come as a surprise to you Allan but not everybody follows your every word. Istr you recall you had something to do with nbw at one point and then some comic called the turd or sommething similar but beyond that i have not a clue what you are on about. Tom Deards, C&RT's head of legal & governance services and company secretary threatened legal action against me. As I say, I thought you might be better informed. Why would I be better informed Allan? Ive already said some people dont read everything you write, why would i be any different?
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