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Post by Graham on Aug 8, 2016 16:54:28 GMT
Pete,
Surely the plug and socket for a 16amp pillar and a 32amp pillar are different sizes. From memory the 16amp is designed to take 1mm2 to 2.5mm2 while the 32amp is designed to take 2.5mm2 to 4mm2. Now that would suggest larger pins in the 32Amp sockets/plugs.
Or am I totally wrong and the 16amp plug will fit a 32amp socket and vise versa ?
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Post by tomsk on Aug 8, 2016 17:10:27 GMT
I must agree with the general thrust of this thread. Many years ago there was a member who would hand down legal advice hand over fist as bona-fide whilst having no actual qualifications or experience. Seemingly he was so caught up in his self-regard that he could not see that issuing such off the cuff opinion posing as case law was manifestly dangerous,the same goes with a lot of electrical advice being handed down. If you are not sure of yourself consult a real expert, not a forum board. I know there are plenty of real experts on cwdf but most of them choose not to give out anything other than very general advice because they are too busy selling their services and (probably) wary of advising a possible half-wit with a monkey wrench and a halfords screwdriver how to wire their boat over the interweb thingy.
Interestingly the historical putative legal expert fell into virtual silence with the advent of Nigel Wotsit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 17:13:23 GMT
Pete, Surely the plug and socket for a 16amp pillar and a 32amp pillar are different sizes. From memory the 16amp is designed to take 1mm 2 to 2.5mm 2 while the 32amp is designed to take 2.5mm 2 to 4mm 2. Now that would suggest larger pins in the 32Amp sockets/plugs. Or am I totally wrong and the 16amp plug will fit a 32amp socket and vise versa ? No, you are correct, 32a is physically much bigger, neither a 16a or a 32a will fit in to the wrong sized outlet. That thread is disappearing up its own arse. One mentioned a fail for no RCD - incorrect reason to fail. One mentioned a fail for sum of breakers over 16a - incorrect reason for fall. MtB started talking about 32a supply's but doesn't really know what he's on about. PaulC has been talking shite from his first post. I threw in the shock that 32a supply is available on the Broads and a canny boaters who has an understanding of electrical systems can use it safely. The BSS chap is a Wally and want's defrocking.
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Post by Graham on Aug 8, 2016 17:37:44 GMT
Pete, Surely the plug and socket for a 16amp pillar and a 32amp pillar are different sizes. From memory the 16amp is designed to take 1mm 2 to 2.5mm 2 while the 32amp is designed to take 2.5mm 2 to 4mm 2. Now that would suggest larger pins in the 32Amp sockets/plugs. Or am I totally wrong and the 16amp plug will fit a 32amp socket and vise versa ? No, you are correct, 32a is physically much bigger, neither a 16a or a 32a will fit in to the wrong sized outlet. That thread is disappearing up its own arse. One mentioned a fail for no RCD - incorrect reason to fail. One mentioned a fail for sum of breakers over 16a - incorrect reason for fall. MtB started talking about 32a supply's but doesn't really know what he's on about. PaulC has been talking shite from his first post. I threw in the shock that 32a supply is available on the Broads and a canny boaters who has an understanding of electrical systems can use it safely. The BSS chap is a Wally and want's defrocking. Thanks Gazza, that is exactly what I thought, but did not have one of each to hand to double check. Therefore to my understanding assuming all pillars are wire to elec regs every output socket should be backed up by and protected by a) a 30mA RCD and b) a breaker of a rating to protect the output specified. i.e for a 16a socket no more than 16A and for a 32A socket not more than 32A. Thus I believe if the boat's shoreline cable is 16A, the norm on the cut, the protection for the cable and the boat up to the boat's consumer unit is from the pillar's 16A breaker and earth leakage the pillar's RCD. I do not believe the a breaker in the consumer unit would trip if there was a short on the input cable and the consumer unit's RCD cannot be guaranteed to trip on an earth leakage up line of it. From an accidental experiment twice I tripped the pillar and neither time did the consumer unit trip. Soapy water over the socket on the boat. So from what little of that thread I have read, got bored, there is not one grain of technical truth. As for the BSS Inspector I would love to be face to face with him and would enjoy myself asking him to justify his claims with figure and drawings. Don't think he would be able to.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 8, 2016 18:04:25 GMT
32amp and 16amp C form plugs and sockets are different sizes. some makes of 16amp ones (at least the ones I have been using lately) will (just) take 4 mm2 flex, but generally are designed for up to 2.5 mm2
If you are using a 32amp bollard from a boat with a 16amp appliance inlet fitted, then you need an adaptor. unfortunately I know of no made up commercially available ones that contain a fuse or mcb. (The only inline modules I have seen are rcd and do not protect overload)
I have my own adapters which I made up many years ago for stage use. They consist of a 32amp plug with a short length of 6 mm2 cable to a waterproof box fitted with 2 16amp mcb's and 2 16amp outlets. They are fairly easy to make up providing you have the electrical knowledge to do so.
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Post by Stumpy on Aug 8, 2016 19:27:11 GMT
I must agree with the general thrust of this thread. Many years ago there was a member who would hand down legal advice hand over fist as bona-fide whilst having no actual qualifications or experience. Seemingly he was so caught up in his self-regard that he could not see that issuing such off the cuff opinion posing as case law was manifestly dangerous,the same goes with a lot of electrical advice being handed down. If you are not sure of yourself consult a real expert, not a forum board. I know there are plenty of real experts on cwdf but most of them choose not to give out anything other than very general advice because they are too busy selling their services and (probably) wary of advising a possible half-wit with a monkey wrench and a halfords screwdriver how to wire their boat over the interweb thingy. Interestingly the historical putative legal expert fell into virtual silence with the advent of Nigel Wotsit. Fuck Me Sideways !!!!:-)
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Post by JohnV on Aug 8, 2016 19:34:42 GMT
I must agree with the general thrust of this thread. Many years ago there was a member who would hand down legal advice hand over fist as bona-fide whilst having no actual qualifications or experience. Seemingly he was so caught up in his self-regard that he could not see that issuing such off the cuff opinion posing as case law was manifestly dangerous,the same goes with a lot of electrical advice being handed down. If you are not sure of yourself consult a real expert, not a forum board. I know there are plenty of real experts on cwdf but most of them choose not to give out anything other than very general advice because they are too busy selling their services and (probably) wary of advising a possible half-wit with a monkey wrench and a halfords screwdriver how to wire their boat over the interweb thingy. Interestingly the historical putative legal expert fell into virtual silence with the advent of Nigel Wotsit. Although I find his one liners amusing but when Tomsk does string more than a couple of words together, the post is definitely worth reading !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 20:15:44 GMT
I must agree with the general thrust of this thread. Many years ago there was a member who would hand down legal advice hand over fist as bona-fide whilst having no actual qualifications or experience. Seemingly he was so caught up in his self-regard that he could not see that issuing such off the cuff opinion posing as case law was manifestly dangerous,the same goes with a lot of electrical advice being handed down. If you are not sure of yourself consult a real expert, not a forum board. I know there are plenty of real experts on cwdf but most of them choose not to give out anything other than very general advice because they are too busy selling their services and (probably) wary of advising a possible half-wit with a monkey wrench and a halfords screwdriver how to wire their boat over the interweb thingy. Interestingly the historical putative legal expert fell into virtual silence with the advent of Nigel Wotsit. I know who you are.
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Post by tomsk on Aug 8, 2016 20:20:04 GMT
I must agree with the general thrust of this thread. Many years ago there was a member who would hand down legal advice hand over fist as bona-fide whilst having no actual qualifications or experience. Seemingly he was so caught up in his self-regard that he could not see that issuing such off the cuff opinion posing as case law was manifestly dangerous,the same goes with a lot of electrical advice being handed down. If you are not sure of yourself consult a real expert, not a forum board. I know there are plenty of real experts on cwdf but most of them choose not to give out anything other than very general advice because they are too busy selling their services and (probably) wary of advising a possible half-wit with a monkey wrench and a halfords screwdriver how to wire their boat over the interweb thingy. Interestingly the historical putative legal expert fell into virtual silence with the advent of Nigel Wotsit. I know who you are. Your point?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 20:41:29 GMT
I know who you are. Your point? No point. Just needed to say
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Post by haulierp on Aug 8, 2016 20:45:33 GMT
I know who you are. Your point? We don't care who you are,just glad that your contributing to the forum.
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Post by metanoia on Aug 8, 2016 21:50:16 GMT
Pontificating experts or out and out liars?
One of those still posting with "expert" advice - I can't comment on how correct that is as I am an "ignorance fascist" (according to his best buddy on CWDF some time ago) - was so aggressive towards me online that I very nearly cancelled work I had booked at "his" marina for fear of having to confront him ...........
I got brave and went anyway - wielding my angle grinder at any incoming arseholes.... Guess what - he doesn't even moor there - has a much cheaper mooring many, many miles away (much less prestigious a boat than implied, too).
What a wonderful world the internet is!
Edit : no disrespect to the real experts - we all need you sometimes
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Post by JohnV on Aug 8, 2016 22:18:06 GMT
Pontificating experts or out and out liars?
One of those still posting with "expert" advice - I can't comment on how correct that is as I am an "ignorance fascist" (according to his best buddy on CWDF some time ago) - was so aggressive towards me online that I very nearly cancelled work I had booked at "his" marina for fear of having to confront him ...........
I got brave and went anyway - wielding my angle grinder at any incoming arseholes.... Guess what - he doesn't even moor there - has a much cheaper mooring many, many miles away (much less prestigious a boat than implied, too).
What a wonderful world the internet is!
Edit : no disrespect to the real experts - we all need you sometimes Hello Metalwoman .......... long time no see !!!
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Post by kris on Aug 8, 2016 22:20:30 GMT
I must agree with the general thrust of this thread. Many years ago there was a member who would hand down legal advice hand over fist as bona-fide whilst having no actual qualifications or experience. Seemingly he was so caught up in his self-regard that he could not see that issuing such off the cuff opinion posing as case law was manifestly dangerous,the same goes with a lot of electrical advice being handed down. If you are not sure of yourself consult a real expert, not a forum board. I know there are plenty of real experts on cwdf but most of them choose not to give out anything other than very general advice because they are too busy selling their services and (probably) wary of advising a possible half-wit with a monkey wrench and a halfords screwdriver how to wire their boat over the interweb thingy. Interestingly the historical putative legal expert fell into virtual silence with the advent of Nigel Wotsit. youve just blown your cover.
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Post by PaulG2 on Aug 8, 2016 22:41:46 GMT
I must agree with the general thrust of this thread. Many years ago there was a member who would hand down legal advice hand over fist as bona-fide whilst having no actual qualifications or experience. Seemingly he was so caught up in his self-regard that he could not see that issuing such off the cuff opinion posing as case law was manifestly dangerous,the same goes with a lot of electrical advice being handed down. If you are not sure of yourself consult a real expert, not a forum board. I know there are plenty of real experts on cwdf but most of them choose not to give out anything other than very general advice because they are too busy selling their services and (probably) wary of advising a possible half-wit with a monkey wrench and a halfords screwdriver how to wire their boat over the interweb thingy. Interestingly the historical putative legal expert fell into virtual silence with the advent of Nigel Wotsit. I know who you are. Who? ??
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