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Post by kris on Apr 22, 2019 10:34:18 GMT
I've been moored near a lock this weekend that has had five volunteers manning it all weekend, this happens regularly even though there are no volunteers on the next lock down. Or on the very next lock up, that is a busy lock and could probably do with some volunteers. If the amount which each voulnteer costs per hour is correct(£32/hr) Then it's cost £960 per day to man that lock over the bank holiday week end so £3,840 in total. Its never took 5 people to man a single lock, so I ask again why does one lock need five volunteers?
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 22, 2019 10:41:39 GMT
I've been moored near a lock this weekend that has had five volunteers manning it all weekend, this happens regularly even though there are no volunteers on the next lock down. Or on the very next lock up, that is a busy lock and could probably do with some volunteers. If the amount which each voulnteer costs per hour is correct(£32/hr) Then it's cost £960 per day to man that lock over the bank holiday week end so £3,840 in total. Its never took 5 people to man a single lock, so I ask again why does one lock need five volunteers? They need 1 person to work the lock and 4 others to protect the first person from the angry boaters who nearly had their boats sunk by the chap. In other words, safety in numbers.
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Post by kris on Apr 22, 2019 10:47:35 GMT
I've been moored near a lock this weekend that has had five volunteers manning it all weekend, this happens regularly even though there are no volunteers on the next lock down. Or on the very next lock up, that is a busy lock and could probably do with some volunteers. If the amount which each voulnteer costs per hour is correct(£32/hr) Then it's cost £960 per day to man that lock over the bank holiday week end so £3,840 in total. Its never took 5 people to man a single lock, so I ask again why does one lock need five volunteers? They need 1 person to work the lock and 4 others to protect the first person from the angry boaters who nearly had their boats sunk by the chap. In other words, safety in numbers. But there's a cost to it?
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 22, 2019 13:20:09 GMT
Why is a volunteer cost £32/hour? Volunteeering is just that, surely? Old age pensioners with nothing better to do. Why don't they fly off to Ethiopia to dig wells? Probably because they don't like black people.
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Post by kris on Apr 22, 2019 13:24:48 GMT
Why is a volunteer cost £32/hour? Volunteeering is just that, surely? Old age pensioners with nothing better to do. Why don't they fly off to Ethiopia to dig wells? Probably because they don't like black people. The figure Of £32/hr came from a freedom of imformation request i think. There are managment costs, costs to the uniform life jackets and other kit, training costs and the volunteers are paid exspenses. Some of them do very well out of it. The relevance of Ethiopians I can't see, but never mind.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 22, 2019 13:33:11 GMT
It's white people pretending they aren't racist, but willing to go down to the canal to 'assist' white English boaters (99.9% of boaters on the English canals are 'white British'), in the knowledge that it's a fun day out. I am grateful for these volunteers, but I do like to point out their hypocrisy. Still, they have worked all their lives and have their State pensions, I'd rather have a cheaper CRT licence than subsidise these coffin-dodgers. Must be boring at home, just the wife and The Archers on Radio 4.
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Post by kris on Apr 22, 2019 13:52:24 GMT
Still don't see the connection to the race issues but hey it must make sense in your head eh foxy?
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Post by Jim on Apr 22, 2019 14:00:47 GMT
It's white people pretending they aren't racist, but willing to go down to the canal to 'assist' white English boaters (99.9% of boaters on the English canals are 'white British'), in the knowledge that it's a fun day out. I am grateful for these volunteers, but I do like to point out their hypocrisy. Still, they have worked all their lives and have their State pensions, I'd rather have a cheaper CRT licence than subsidise these coffin-dodgers. Must be boring at home, just the wife and The Archers on Radio 4. my wife isnt is on radio 4, though we do listen to the archers, and I occasionally volunteer painting locks etc, amongst the other stuff I do voluntarily. Fuck all to do with racism though, that's the product of a cynically warped mind. When you retire what are you going to do all day, change oil and make a list of your lists or do a bit for other people. Of course it's wrong that they all congregate around one Lock, that's to do with their management Shirley, if I was going through I'd make some pointed witty comment and engage them in banter e.g "You wait hours for a volocky then 5 turn up at once." Or nicely, "Why don't you lot spread yourselves out over the flight". Or, to those standing about, "I want your job, just standing about."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 14:04:19 GMT
I don't like volunteer lock keepers on canals with manual locks. I see it as breeding the wrong attitude. You go on a boat you get to the lock and "thank goodness someone is there to do the lock". It presents the locks as being problems which need to be resolved rather than an enjoyable part of canal boating.
But I'm biased as doing the locks is my favourite bit so if someone else is there they are taking away some of my pleasure.
Different on rivers like the Thames where the lock is push button and several boats in lock, its handy to have a keeper for that if its busy.
But on the cut I think it's the wrong idea.
And don't get me started on the incompetent painting situation !!
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Post by Trina on Apr 22, 2019 14:32:29 GMT
Why is a volunteer cost £32/hour? Volunteeering is just that, surely? Old age pensioners with nothing better to do. Why don't they fly off to Ethiopia to dig wells? Probably because they don't like black people. The figure Of £32/hr came from a freedom of imformation request i think. There are managment costs, costs to the uniform life jackets and other kit, training costs and the volunteers are paid exspenses. Some of them do very well out of it. The relevance of Ethiopians I can't see, but never mind. Most of the vollies we know(including my husband)don't claim any expenses.Paul also volunteers with CRT's heritage fleet-he pays an annual members' fee for that & had to pay for his own uniform.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 22, 2019 14:45:44 GMT
The figure Of £32/hr came from a freedom of imformation request i think. There are managment costs, costs to the uniform life jackets and other kit, training costs and the volunteers are paid exspenses. Some of them do very well out of it. The relevance of Ethiopians I can't see, but never mind. Most of the vollies we know(including my husband)don't claim any expenses. Perhaps they should? I bet CRT management are all on free lunches.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 22, 2019 14:52:53 GMT
I don't like volunteer lock keepers on canals with manual locks. I see it as breeding the wrong attitude. You go on a boat you get to the lock and "thank goodness someone is there to do the lock". It presents the locks as being problems which need to be resolved rather than an enjoyable part of canal boating. But I'm biased as doing the locks is my favourite bit so if someone else is there they are taking away some of my pleasure. Different on rivers like the Thames where the lock is push button and several boats in lock, its handy to have a keeper for that if its busy. But on the cut I think it's the wrong idea. And don't get me started on the incompetent painting situation !! apart from your last line I agree with that. I enjoy working the locks myself at the speed that suits me, on occasion I actually resent help. I can understand when there is a queue at a busy spot but if there is no one waiting I like to take my time and bumble. some of my favourite moments have been idly sitting on a beam waiting for the lock to fill with not a soul around. genuinely peaceful moments
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 15:05:20 GMT
My reference to painting was when I arrived at a lock recently painted. Wet paint on balance beams. No warnings. White tops to bollards and paddle posts painted over in black.
There is a reason they are white its for visibility DO NOT PAINT THESE THINGS BLACK.
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Post by thebfg on Apr 22, 2019 15:16:14 GMT
The lock at Boa allways has a few vlockies but I get told it's one of the busiest locks on the system.
It is useful there because all the hire boats going in and out of bath, it might be there only lock.
We waited for nearly an hour coming up the other day.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 15:49:25 GMT
It's white people pretending they aren't racist, but willing to go down to the canal to 'assist' white English boaters (99.9% of boaters on the English canals are 'white British'), in the knowledge that it's a fun day out. I am grateful for these volunteers, but I do like to point out their hypocrisy. Still, they have worked all their lives and have their State pensions, I'd rather have a cheaper CRT licence than subsidise these coffin-dodgers. Must be boring at home, just the wife and The Archers on Radio 4. Wtf are you on about foxy. You simply dont have to introduce the concept of racism into each and every post/thread. Doing so marks you out as a bit of a tiresome cretin, and has already driven away people from this forum. Give it a effing rest for christs sake.
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