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Post by TonyDunkley on Apr 29, 2019 15:26:25 GMT
I applaud your sentiments patty, but the only way that there's going to be any further Court involvement in this matter will be a Claim against C&RT founded in the unlawful seizure and removal of this man's boat from the canal, . . . which, unless they have legitimate grounds, and go through the entire Section 8 process starting with the mandatory notice called for under Section 17(4) of the 1995 British Waterways Act, will be a wholly unlawful act exceeding their statutory powers and authority, and contrary to the 1267 Statute of Marlborough, the 2007 Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act, and the 1977 Torts(Interference with Goods) Act. If the boat has already been renamed and given a different index number what is to stop that happening again? You'd rapidly get into silly situation territory. Yes you would need another bs certificate but thats easy to sort out. this changing of boats identity when everyone knows its the same vessel seems a little bit like it might be slightly ridiculous loophole seeking. You could just do it again and again indefinitely. The vessel identified and named on the 2017 Court Order was destroyed by fire in early 2018. The current boat was created using the original hull with a completely different top on it, and C&RT recognized it as a different vessel by way of giving it a new Index No., and issuing a boat Licence and a Winter Mooring Permit later in 2018.
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Post by kris on Apr 29, 2019 15:33:02 GMT
There's a boat just up from where I work that looks equally or more DIY than the boat discussed in this thread. I'll take a photo of it later. Yet, the CRT (as far as I understand) have not only not sought to remove it from the cut but have given the boat permission to remain where it is on what is apparently a visitor mooring. I don't know the full details (or any details for that matter) but I wonder how they let one DIY boat remain on the canal but not another.
Weird thing about that story is if he's trying to pull his boat to London from Liverpool, surely he's going the wrong way if he's ended up in Leeds.
As Tony has pointed out, I don't think he did his research properly before setting out on the adventure. As you've seen there's no way to bow haul a boat below Leeds and the waterways narrow at foxton so he has no way of passing there anyway. But judging by the case of the caravan boat he's better off in the north as cart in london are liable to just arbitrarily decide they do not like it and revoke his liscence.
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Post by thebfg on Apr 29, 2019 15:36:17 GMT
Wasn't going to reply again on this thread but here goes...
If you make a nuisance of yourself so that people complain about you and you also push the rules, expect trouble.
If there are complaints' does it matter if they are justified or not?
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Post by kris on Apr 29, 2019 15:53:33 GMT
You seem to have some inside imformation that your not sharing with us. Who has complained?and how has he made a nuisance of himself? Genuine questions by the way. It's second or third hand info so not sure how much to believe it which is why I don't want to put it on here. Came from a Polish guy I was moored next to for a couple of days just as part of a conversation (before the original thread was started). I don't know the truth but it could be partly why CRT are acting the way they are. Sometimes there are two sides of a story and unless you know facts for certain you can only speculate about the truth.
Hopefully CRT will back off and the guy will move his boat as necessary and all will be fine.
I understand what you are saying and it's good not to publish hearsay that you don't know the truth about. But the point as far as I'm concerned, is what ever this boater is supposed to have done cart have to act within the law. They have statutes which determine what they can and can't do legally. If they have just cause to rid the waterways of this boat then do it using the powers provided in law. At the moment they are just making it up as they go along.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 29, 2019 16:21:48 GMT
Built a shed in the canal? At least he has made the effort to tie it up properly ! And he hasn't taken the engine out and sat it on the stern deck for three weeks for no discernible reason.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 29, 2019 16:34:43 GMT
Much like you then, its what we all are when on here. The difference is you think you have the right to tell people what to do. I find loddon's posts to be quite sane.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 29, 2019 16:38:43 GMT
Weird thing about that story is if he's trying to pull his boat to London from Liverpool, surely he's going the wrong way if he's ended up in Leeds.
We passed it in Leeds 2 years ago. And we passed it in Leeds last Summer too. He doesn't really seem to be pulling it anywhere. Still, the canals up that way are pretty empty, and he's not bothering anybody.
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Post by kris on Apr 29, 2019 16:43:28 GMT
The difference is you think you have the right to tell people what to do. I find loddon's posts to be quite sane. Yes but then your not a great authority on sanity.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 29, 2019 16:46:09 GMT
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Post by wellyftw on Apr 29, 2019 16:50:48 GMT
Weird thing about that story is if he's trying to pull his boat to London from Liverpool, surely he's going the wrong way if he's ended up in Leeds.
We passed it in Leeds 2 years ago. And we passed it in Leeds last Summer too. He doesn't really seem to be pulling it anywhere. Still, the canals up that way are pretty empty, and he's not bothering anybody. True enough. Doesn't bother me at all, there's stacks of mooring space up here! (In your face, London).
Maybe he's just getting his breath back after pulling it to Leeds from Liverpool. I'd be jiggered if I did that.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 29, 2019 16:52:49 GMT
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Post by kris on Apr 29, 2019 17:03:15 GMT
We passed it in Leeds 2 years ago. And we passed it in Leeds last Summer too. He doesn't really seem to be pulling it anywhere. Still, the canals up that way are pretty empty, and he's not bothering anybody. True enough. Doesn't bother me at all, there's stacks of mooring space up here! (In your face, London).
Maybe he's just getting his breath back after pulling it to Leeds from Liverpool. I'd be jiggered if I did that.
It has taken him a few years to get to Leeds, he stopped on the summit pound at salterforth for a while. He's a nice chap stop and chat to him some time ask him how much hassle he had with cart early on. Same again he's had to fight with them because they wanted to take it off him. ps don't tell too many people how good it is up north.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 29, 2019 19:24:37 GMT
There's a boat just up from where I work that looks equally or more DIY than the boat discussed in this thread. I'll take a photo of it later. Yet, the CRT (as far as I understand) have not only not sought to remove it from the cut but have given the boat permission to remain where it is on what is apparently a visitor mooring. I don't know the full details (or any details for that matter) but I wonder how they let one DIY boat remain on the canal but not another.
Weird thing about that story is if he's trying to pull his boat to London from Liverpool, surely he's going the wrong way if he's ended up in Leeds.
But judging by the case of the caravan boat he's better off in the north as cart in london are liable to just arbitrarily decide they do not like it and revoke his liscence. But here's the thing. For some strange reason people are attracted to that overcrowded dump like flies to shit. And looking at it from CRT's viewpoint, if they allowed one person to lash together some old 45 gallon drums, stick a shed on it, then call it a boat then everybody would be wanting to do it.
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Post by kris on Apr 29, 2019 19:30:44 GMT
But judging by the case of the caravan boat he's better off in the north as cart in london are liable to just arbitrarily decide they do not like it and revoke his liscence. But here's the thing. For some strange reason people are attracted to that overcrowded dump like flies to shit. And looking at it from CRT's viewpoint, if they allowed one person to lash together some old 45 gallon drums, stick a shed on it, then call it a boat then everybody would be wanting to do it. So yet again I ask you, this means it's okay for cart to act outside of the law does it?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 29, 2019 19:40:13 GMT
But here's the thing. For some strange reason people are attracted to that overcrowded dump like flies to shit. And looking at it from CRT's viewpoint, if they allowed one person to lash together some old 45 gallon drums, stick a shed on it, then call it a boat then everybody would be wanting to do it. So yet again I ask you, this means it's okay for cart to act outside of the law does it? I don't know what the law is so I can't really comment on whether CRT are acting within it or outside it, although I'd be surprised if there wasn't a by-law covering non-conventional vessels such as this.
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