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Post by patty on Apr 30, 2019 19:57:31 GMT
Im not sure why Ross misquoted me as I don't understand what he's on about...
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Post by patty on Apr 30, 2019 19:58:35 GMT
Im not sure that walking up and down all those steps would suit me .... It would certainly keep you in shape Patty. If you really think that it's too much for you, the wheelhouse can be lowered reasonably quick to let you down, and pick you up later, all the crew-members are in permanent contact with the bridge, so it wouldn't be difficult to ask them to come down again, to safe you from a huge clime . Peter. I think i like the boat more now the wheelhouse goes up and down...
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Post by bargemast on Apr 30, 2019 19:59:37 GMT
You said: "The NATO have been giving back several of their bases to the Germans" I don't know what needs explaining. I think it's a bad idea to let Germany gradually pick up power and a military force again, obviously two world wars haven't taught us they can't be trusted. they're using them as holiday camps for undesirables . ........ they would never be allowed to put the army in them ... I hear the showers are excellent. As the WW2 ended in 1945, which is 74 years ago, I personally don't think that it's fair to ask from the later generations of Germans to ask for forgiveness for what their grand-parents or great grand-parents did during this terrible war. I hated all the Germans before I was based in Germany, and that only because of all the bad stories my parents had told me (born in 1907 and 1909), they both lost family and friends during the wars, and my father always sad that a good German was a dead German, so why wouldn't I hate them too ? It worked out at they were really nice and friendly people, and on top of that, many of them had lovely daughters, a good reason to stop hating people that had never done anything bad to me. During 1 year I was based next to Bergen-Belsen at a camp in Höhne which had practically nothing but GB troops there, they were a wild bunch, i was told that they often joint the Army by choice between prison time or Army. Anyway, the Brits and us the Dutch had horrible old tanks, a lot of crappy old Centurions, and old trucks WW2 GMC's and more modern DAF's with powerless 6 cylinder Hercules side-valve engines, Willy's and Nekaf Jeeps, and some much better and easier to work on German made trucks Faun with air-cooled Deutz engines, and Munga (DKW) Jeeps. In a workshop next to ours where we were trying to keep the Centurions in working order, the Germans had their tank workshops too, and they had Leopard tanks, half an hour after they'd started working on one, they had it's engine already removed, all with quick fittings, master engineering, and could even test-run their engines with extension cables and hoses, while we needed almost 1 week to replace a clutch. At a later stage we got some American tracked stuff with GM engines, automatic gearboxes, hydraulically operated disc brakes, comfortable drivers seat etc, much better than our ancient Centurions and our French crappy AMX tanks. It's maybe too bad that I can't say anything bad about the Germans, only that I regret to have taken my fathers words for granted, they were very true in his experience, but I didn't share his experience having been born 40 years later than him. Peter.
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Post by bargemast on Apr 30, 2019 20:03:27 GMT
It would certainly keep you in shape Patty. If you really think that it's too much for you, the wheelhouse can be lowered reasonably quick to let you down, and pick you up later, all the crew-members are in permanent contact with the bridge, so it wouldn't be difficult to ask them to come down again, to safe you from a huge clime . Peter. I think i like the boat more now the wheelhouse goes up and down... If the wheelhouses of these barges wouldn't go up and down, it would be very difficult to pass under some of the lower fixed bridges (not as low as on the UK canals though ). Peter.
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Post by wellyftw on Apr 30, 2019 21:49:19 GMT
Thats just taken me back years to when I lived and worked in Heerlen, I really liked the Dutch but the job sucked in a big way [ I worked with various nations and some could be challenging] so requested a posting from AFCENT My dad worked with AFCENT when I was a kid, we were based in Brunssum for a few years.
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Post by peterboat on Apr 30, 2019 22:09:52 GMT
Thats just taken me back years to when I lived and worked in Heerlen, I really liked the Dutch but the job sucked in a big way [ I worked with various nations and some could be challenging] so requested a posting from AFCENT When I joined the NATO jan '67 during the cold war, I was based for the first 6 months in Weert, which is in Limburg too, as is Heerlen, in these days AFCENT had their headquarters at Brunssum, don't know if they still exist and if so, where they are now. The NATO have been giving back several of their bases to the Germans, we had a reunion a couple of years ago (maybe even 10 years, I can't keep up with the speed of time) at the base where I'd spend most of my time in Germany, a couple of months before the Germans were allowed to move in again. Peter. We were at Brunssum Emma Mine to be exact, I have no idea if it exists either, my first quarter was in Kerkrade could be spelled wrong and my national HQ was in Maastrict , I really enjoyed the country and people but the job.........................
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Post by peterboat on Apr 30, 2019 22:14:20 GMT
they're using them as holiday camps for undesirables . ........ they would never be allowed to put the army in them ... I hear the showers are excellent. As the WW2 ended in 1945, which is 74 years ago, I personally don't think that it's fair to ask from the later generations of Germans to ask for forgiveness for what their grand-parents or great grand-parents did during this terrible war. I hated all the Germans before I was based in Germany, and that only because of all the bad stories my parents had told me (born in 1907 and 1909), they both lost family and friends during the wars, and my father always sad that a good German was a dead German, so why wouldn't I hate them too ? It worked out at they were really nice and friendly people, and on top of that, many of them had lovely daughters, a good reason to stop hating people that had never done anything bad to me. During 1 year I was based next to Bergen-Belsen at a camp in Höhne which had practically nothing but GB troops there, they were a wild bunch, i was told that they often joint the Army by choice between prison time or Army. Anyway, the Brits and us the Dutch had horrible old tanks, a lot of crappy old Centurions, and old trucks WW2 GMC's and more modern DAF's with powerless 6 cylinder Hercules side-valve engines, Willy's and Nekaf Jeeps, and some much better and easier to work on German made trucks Faun with air-cooled Deutz engines, and Munga (DKW) Jeeps. In a workshop next to ours where we were trying to keep the Centurions in working order, the Germans had their tank workshops too, and they had Leopard tanks, half an hour after they'd started working on one, they had it's engine already removed, all with quick fittings, master engineering, and could even test-run their engines with extension cables and hoses, while we needed almost 1 week to replace a clutch. At a later stage we got some American tracked stuff with GM engines, automatic gearboxes, hydraulically operated disc brakes, comfortable drivers seat etc, much better than our ancient Centurions and our French crappy AMX tanks. It's maybe too bad that I can't say anything bad about the Germans, only that I regret to have taken my fathers words for granted, they were very true in his experience, but I didn't share his experience having been born 40 years later than him. Peter. When in Osnabruck I had a lovely german girlfriend Christine, she was blonde and beautiful and a lot of fun, never told my Mum about her as she hated Germans! Happy days when I was young and fit
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Post by thebfg on May 1, 2019 8:12:45 GMT
I see we are pulling out of Germany too. Probaly about time.
My brother was born in a UK base there.
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Post by bargemast on May 1, 2019 17:29:11 GMT
As the WW2 ended in 1945, which is 74 years ago, I personally don't think that it's fair to ask from the later generations of Germans to ask for forgiveness for what their grand-parents or great grand-parents did during this terrible war. I hated all the Germans before I was based in Germany, and that only because of all the bad stories my parents had told me (born in 1907 and 1909), they both lost family and friends during the wars, and my father always sad that a good German was a dead German, so why wouldn't I hate them too ? It worked out at they were really nice and friendly people, and on top of that, many of them had lovely daughters, a good reason to stop hating people that had never done anything bad to me. During 1 year I was based next to Bergen-Belsen at a camp in Höhne which had practically nothing but GB troops there, they were a wild bunch, i was told that they often joint the Army by choice between prison time or Army. Anyway, the Brits and us the Dutch had horrible old tanks, a lot of crappy old Centurions, and old trucks WW2 GMC's and more modern DAF's with powerless 6 cylinder Hercules side-valve engines, Willy's and Nekaf Jeeps, and some much better and easier to work on German made trucks Faun with air-cooled Deutz engines, and Munga (DKW) Jeeps. In a workshop next to ours where we were trying to keep the Centurions in working order, the Germans had their tank workshops too, and they had Leopard tanks, half an hour after they'd started working on one, they had it's engine already removed, all with quick fittings, master engineering, and could even test-run their engines with extension cables and hoses, while we needed almost 1 week to replace a clutch. At a later stage we got some American tracked stuff with GM engines, automatic gearboxes, hydraulically operated disc brakes, comfortable drivers seat etc, much better than our ancient Centurions and our French crappy AMX tanks. It's maybe too bad that I can't say anything bad about the Germans, only that I regret to have taken my fathers words for granted, they were very true in his experience, but I didn't share his experience having been born 40 years later than him. Peter. When in Osnabruck I had a lovely german girlfriend Christine, she was blonde and beautiful and a lot of fun, never told my Mum about her as she hated Germans! Happy days when I was young and fit I don't suppose that you hated Germans like Christine's parents, as it was them that created your lovely German girlfriend, most of the girls in our area were blondes too, and almost all lovely farmers daughters. Several of my mates married their German girlfriends, and none of them have divorced, and still love their girls and the mother of their children. I don't see the need to hate people that have never done anything bad to you, and holding them responsible for what their ancesters have done isn't fair. About AFCENT in Brunssem EMMA Mine, there were quite a few mines in Limburg, but halfway the 60's they were all threatened with closure because of the natural gas they found in the North of the country, and the start of the nuclear power around the same time, because of that, more than 50% of our new soldiers were ex-futur-miners, the very last mine closed halfway the 70's. Peter.
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Post by peterboat on May 1, 2019 21:26:36 GMT
When in Osnabruck I had a lovely german girlfriend Christine, she was blonde and beautiful and a lot of fun, never told my Mum about her as she hated Germans! Happy days when I was young and fit I don't suppose that you hated Germans like Christine's parents, as it was them that created your lovely German girlfriend, most of the girls in our area were blondes too, and almost all lovely farmers daughters. Several of my mates married their German girlfriends, and none of them have divorced, and still love their girls and the mother of their children. I don't see the need to hate people that have never done anything bad to you, and holding them responsible for what their ancesters have done isn't fair. About AFCENT in Brunssem EMMA Mine, there were quite a few mines in Limburg, but halfway the 60's they were all threatened with closure because of the natural gas they found in the North of the country, and the start of the nuclear power around the same time, because of that, more than 50% of our new soldiers were ex-futur-miners, the very last mine closed halfway the 70's. Peter. On reflection I should have stuck with her but a posting to Cyprus interfered and Christine didnt want to go, thats life I suppose
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Post by bargemast on May 2, 2019 8:50:46 GMT
I don't suppose that you hated Germans like Christine's parents, as it was them that created your lovely German girlfriend, most of the girls in our area were blondes too, and almost all lovely farmers daughters. Several of my mates married their German girlfriends, and none of them have divorced, and still love their girls and the mother of their children. I don't see the need to hate people that have never done anything bad to you, and holding them responsible for what their ancesters have done isn't fair. About AFCENT in Brunssem EMMA Mine, there were quite a few mines in Limburg, but halfway the 60's they were all threatened with closure because of the natural gas they found in the North of the country, and the start of the nuclear power around the same time, because of that, more than 50% of our new soldiers were ex-futur-miners, the very last mine closed halfway the 70's. Peter. On reflection I should have stuck with her but a posting to Cyprus interfered and Christine didnt want to go, thats life I suppose I think that for many of us, if we could start life all over again, knowing what we've learned over the years, we would do many things differently and would have a much better life to live, but unless you're 007, we only live once, and we have to try to make the best of it, and try not to make the same mistakes over and over again (which seems to be one of my specialities). Peter.
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Post by peterboat on May 2, 2019 9:11:42 GMT
On reflection I should have stuck with her but a posting to Cyprus interfered and Christine didnt want to go, thats life I suppose I think that for many of us, if we could start life all over again, knowing what we've learned over the years, we would do many things differently and would have a much better life to live, but unless you're 007, we only live once, and we have to try to make the best of it, and try not to make the same mistakes over and over again (which seems to be one of my specialities). Peter. Snap Peter which is why I have bought a bloody electric pickup truck thats French and doesnt go! never learn do we
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