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Post by wellyftw on May 1, 2019 9:30:35 GMT
Are there showers on the L&L? Well, I shall look forward to seeing those! Luckily I've got showers at work so at the moment my water tank is lasting me for four weeks! there aren't many three between leeds and the summit. Ah right! Honestly, if I saw a single shower it'd be a luxury I'd appreciate. I only ever saw one shower in the entirety of London, down in Brentford. I didn't realise showers along the cut was a thing until then.
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Post by pearley on May 1, 2019 9:33:40 GMT
Foxy you may ridicule it, but this is a serious issue for people who live on their boats. The facilities in the basin at Loughborough was another one of the deals done with a property developer where they get planning permission for their development(posh flats) if they put boaters facilities in it somewhere. Then low and behold at sometime in the future the facilities are closed and cart do nothing about it. I've seen the same thing happen in granary wharf in Leeds, did you know foxy that there are supposed to be some nice new facilities in the base of the big round building? Well you would have had to be quick to use them as they where shut not long after the building was opened and never reopened, they have now been converted into an exspensive bar. Those nice new facilities at the bottom of Candle House at Granary Wharf were actually built. I went once (2006/7?) as they were finishing the tiling, so why were they never opened. There was also an Elsan facility at Bishop Meadow Lock at Loughborough but closed when the Lock House was sold off. Never understand why BW/CRT cant sell off assets whilst still retaining use of facilities. The number of water taps lost because the supply came via the sold off lock house.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 10:30:54 GMT
It seems the reason given for closing facilities is homeless people taking up residence in the facilities. I'd suggest that cart need to change the key system then. To a key that is not so easily available. Maybe a magnetic swipe card that is issued new with the liscence every year. This would stop boaters who don't pay a luscence having access as well. Yes it would cost money to instal, but I'd suggest it would save lots of money in the long term. Oh I forget the managment aren't planning on being around long term. People would quickly work out ways to prevent the door closing. The answer is to not have an actual building. Just an open air elsan hopper with a brick surround and some bins and a water tap.
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Post by kris on May 1, 2019 10:39:46 GMT
It seems the reason given for closing facilities is homeless people taking up residence in the facilities. I'd suggest that cart need to change the key system then. To a key that is not so easily available. Maybe a magnetic swipe card that is issued new with the liscence every year. This would stop boaters who don't pay a luscence having access as well. Yes it would cost money to instal, but I'd suggest it would save lots of money in the long term. Oh I forget the managment aren't planning on being around long term. People would quickly work out ways to prevent the door closing. The answer is to not have an actual building. Just an open air elsan hopper with a brick surround and some bins and a water tap. An open air shower would be quite bohemian, okay in summer maybe but I don't think I'd use one in winter. ps having the bins in gated facilities would prevent a lot of the hassle with refuse as well.
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Post by kris on May 1, 2019 10:44:55 GMT
there aren't many three between leeds and the summit. Ah right! Honestly, if I saw a single shower it'd be a luxury I'd appreciate. I only ever saw one shower in the entirety of London, down in Brentford. I didn't realise showers along the cut was a thing until then. So there are showers in Leeds if the facilities are open (not always the case.) Then the next are at dobsons lock, then at the top of the locks at bingley. That's it until you get to greenberfield locks(although I wouldn't be surprised if this has been closed,because of the numptys in the lock cottage.) whilst there are other facilities at skipton and Gargrave they don't have showers.
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Post by kris on May 1, 2019 10:52:36 GMT
Personally I think cart are missing a trick with the facilities and being very short sighted. If they invested money in improving the facilities including the lock system they could then charge all these visitors they've been encouraging to use the towpath for years to use them. Maybe an annual subscription? But I can't help thinking there's more to the removal of facilities than a money saving exercise, there have been too many removed very recently to be coincidental.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 11:02:44 GMT
Personally I think cart are missing a trick with the facilities and being very short sighted. If they invested money in improving the facilities including the lock system they could then charge all these visitors they've been encouraging to use the towpath for years to use them. Maybe an annual subscription? But I can't help thinking there's more to the removal of facilities than a money saving exercise, there have been too many removed very recently to be coincidental. They are removing them to stop ALL boaters emptying their bogs. Its not just livaboards who need to do it. Its very community minded of you thinking about this kris what with you having a composting bog and no need of these facilities.
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Post by kris on May 1, 2019 11:11:39 GMT
Personally I think cart are missing a trick with the facilities and being very short sighted. If they invested money in improving the facilities including the lock system they could then charge all these visitors they've been encouraging to use the towpath for years to use them. Maybe an annual subscription? But I can't help thinking there's more to the removal of facilities than a money saving exercise, there have been too many removed very recently to be coincidental. They are removing them to stop ALL boaters emptying their bogs. Its not just livaboards who need to do it. Its very community minded of you thinking about this kris what with you having a composting bog and no need of these facilities. Your right I don't use the elsan points, but I use the refuse disposal and water points, the showers are also most welcome as I don't have one onboard at the moment. I am community minded and see this as an attack on All boaters.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 1, 2019 12:12:04 GMT
Like getting rid of rubbish bins on trains and at railway stations because of 'terrorism'. It's really to save money. Why hide a bomb in a bin anyway? That's rubbish Foxy, the IRA put several bombs in bins. A lot of bins have now reappeared after the NI peace agreement. Any old suitcase from a charity shop will do, you don't need to 'hide it in a bin'.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 1, 2019 12:16:56 GMT
It seems the reason given for closing facilities is homeless people taking up residence in the facilities. I'd suggest that cart need to change the key system then. To a key that is not so easily available. Maybe a magnetic swipe card that is issued new with the liscence every year. This would stop boaters who don't pay a luscence having access as well. Yes it would cost money to instal, but I'd suggest it would save lots of money in the long term. Oh I forget the managment aren't planning on being around long term. The answer is to not have an actual building. The answer could also be to drag those 'homeless' out and drag them off the the local Council for housing. It's a bit of a cheek to set up 'home' in a CRT sanitary station.
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Post by kris on May 1, 2019 12:19:37 GMT
The answer is to not have an actual building. The answer could also be to drag those 'homeless' out and drag them off the the local Council for housing. This is England, not Finland or Scotland.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 1, 2019 12:42:17 GMT
The answer could also be to drag those 'homeless' out and drag them off the the local Council for housing. This is England, not Finland or Scotland. You've paid handsomely for a CRT licence so you can use those facilities, and some 'homeless' are occupying your space and preventing you from doing your business.... it's the council's legal obligation to house them, isn't it? They can go and camp in the bogs at the Town Hall.
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Post by kris on May 1, 2019 12:45:47 GMT
This is England, not Finland or Scotland. You've paid handsomely for a CRT licence so you can use those facilities, and some 'homeless' are occupying your space and preventing you from doing your business.... it's the council's legal obligation to house them, isn't it? They can go and camp in the bogs at the Town Hall. I think because your only in England ocassionally you might not realise the reality of the situation. Homeless people are basically left to die on the streets nowadays or else to get a roof over their heads they can commit petty crime and go and stay at her majesty's leasure for a while.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 1, 2019 12:52:23 GMT
That shouldn't be the case. Good question, is it not, why don't they go and set up home in the Town Hall? Are councils obliged to house the homeless or what? You must know my stance by now, I think there should be housing and reasonable work (with good conditions and pay) for all. Where is this influx of Eastern Europeans (thanks, EU!) being housed? Any of them in council houses? Bit of a cheek if they are when there's nothing available left for the native population.
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Post by kris on May 1, 2019 13:04:50 GMT
That shouldn't be the case. Good question, is it not, why don't they go and set up home in the Town Hall? Are councils obliged to house the homeless or what? You must know my stance by now, I think there should be housing and reasonable work (with good conditions and pay) for all. Where is this influx of Eastern Europeans (thanks, EU!) being housed? Any of them in council houses? Bit of a cheek if they are when there's nothing available left for the native population. You can blame who you like, but at the end of the day the days of getting housed automatically are gone. Do you think if it was that easy to get housed these people would be setting up home in toilet blocks next tothe canals. Finland has some very progressive policies towards homelessness that Scotland have copied. But here in England we have a Tory government who don't give two fucks about the homeless or for that matter any of the poorer memebers of society housed or homeless.
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