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Post by thebfg on May 2, 2019 18:46:48 GMT
Nicholson's says 13' - 2". I suppose the point is, if his boat passed through the lock before them you would expect it to be able to pass through after any remedial work. if for some reason they have had t narrow the lock for structural reasons then let people know so they have the choice which side of it to keep their boats. I suspect though this another balls up. I wonder if the book said 13.1 so that's what they rebuilt it to. Ignoring the fact that it was wider.
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Post by kris on May 2, 2019 18:47:38 GMT
I wholly apologise. What I thought was called semington lock is actually Harris lock. So only one lock is blocked. It will be blocked overnight until more equipment can arrive. More equipment? So it's well and truly stuck then.
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Post by kris on May 2, 2019 18:48:53 GMT
I suppose the point is, if his boat passed through the lock before them you would expect it to be able to pass through after any remedial work. if for some reason they have had t narrow the lock for structural reasons then let people know so they have the choice which side of it to keep their boats. I suspect though this another balls up. I wonder if the book said 13.1 so that's what they rebuilt it to. Ignoring the fact that it was wider. Who knows, if it's contractors they are more likely to have done it without thinking and cart wouldn't bother telling them.
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Post by JohnV on May 2, 2019 19:40:07 GMT
There are a few differing dimensions given on the net jimsheads says 14 ft, there is also 13ft10 quoted and 13ft8 so take your pick. I imagine there will be a stink if they've stranded boats by narrowing the locks. Was it contractors who did the work or carts staff? Nicholson's says 13' - 2". <iframe width="22.40000000000009" height="5.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 22.4px; height: 5.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 14px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_69096221" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.40000000000009" height="5.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 22.4px; height: 5.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1062px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_52694088" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.40000000000009" height="5.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 22.4px; height: 5.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 14px; top: 198px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_39609591" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.40000000000009" height="5.180000000000007" style="position: absolute; width: 22.4px; height: 5.18px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1062px; top: 198px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_30534382" scrolling="no"></iframe> My 1985 Imrays 6th edition Inland Waterways of Great Britain gives these details for the K&A canal section 13'10" and gives the pinch point on the system as being the river Kennet "between quoin faces 15', The size of craft which can negotiate these locks depends upon the shape. A craft of 14' beam would be limited to about 67' in length, but a narrow boat of say 6'10" X 71'10" would be able to pass through" The 2009 8th edition has much less details and simply gives " 72' X 7' and 70' X 12'5" "
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 20:08:25 GMT
As it's a dutch barge I would suggest that it is highly probable that it came through the lock before unless they brought it around the south coast and up the Severn. Far more likely it came via Thames. it seems to be exiting the lock down hill going east. So yes the lock seems to now be narrower than it was before. Although to be fair a situation could arise where a boat which was on the limit length and beam wise may fit one way but not the other. In theory. The effect in this situation is to strand the boat on the western part of the K&A assuming they remove it backwards. What would be interesting and perhaps one for NigelMoore to answer is whether there is a statutory maximum beam for craft and if a boat owner whose vessel was wider than that limit which but could "just about" fit through locks was breaking a byelaw of some sort. Possibly not fit for navigation if it won't fit cleanly through the locks. There must be something preventing people from causing damage by attempting to force over beam vessels through locks using mechanical assistance such as chain blocks or tirfor type winches.
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Post by kris on May 2, 2019 20:18:33 GMT
Andrew have you read what's been posted in the thread? The boat has passed through the lock no problem before the remedial work undertaken recently.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 20:22:12 GMT
My 1985 Imrays 6th edition Inland Waterways of Great Britain gives these details for the K&A canal section 13'10" and gives the pinch point on the system as being the river Kennet "between quoin faces 15', The size of craft which can negotiate these locks depends upon the shape. A craft of 14' beam would be limited to about 67' in length, but a narrow boat of say 6'10" X 71'10" would be able to pass through" The 2009 8th edition has much less details and simply gives " 72' X 7' and 70' X 12'5" " I've got a 1972 (fifth edition revised) Imray Inland Waterways of Britain which has this
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Post by thebfg on May 2, 2019 20:41:53 GMT
Andrew have you read what's been posted in the thread? The boat has passed through the lock no problem before the remedial work undertaken recently. Yes, the boater is up and down regularly.
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Post by thebfg on May 2, 2019 20:47:29 GMT
My 1985 Imrays 6th edition Inland Waterways of Great Britain gives these details for the K&A canal section 13'10" and gives the pinch point on the system as being the river Kennet "between quoin faces 15', The size of craft which can negotiate these locks depends upon the shape. A craft of 14' beam would be limited to about 67' in length, but a narrow boat of say 6'10" X 71'10" would be able to pass through" The 2009 8th edition has much less details and simply gives " 72' X 7' and 70' X 12'5" " I've got a 1972 (fifth edition revised) Imray Inland Waterways of Britain which has this The boat I believe is 13.4 so well in. Although CRT are blaimng him, Of I was him I would be getting hold of his sighting record to prove it's not his first visit
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Post by kris on May 2, 2019 20:50:07 GMT
I've got a 1972 (fifth edition revised) Imray Inland Waterways of Britain which has this The boat I believe is 13.4 so well in. Although CRT are blaimng him, Of I was him I would be getting hold of his sighting record to prove it's not his first visit What a surprise cart are blaming the boater again.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 20:50:19 GMT
Andrew have you read what's been posted in the thread? The boat has passed through the lock no problem before the remedial work undertaken recently. I'm starting to believe he has some sort of condition that effects his ability to formulate what he is reading. His responses often demonstrate that.
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Post by kris on May 2, 2019 20:51:56 GMT
Andrew have you read what's been posted in the thread? The boat has passed through the lock no problem before the remedial work undertaken recently. I'm starting to believe he has some sort of condition that effects his ability to formulate what he is reading. His responses often demonstrate that. I think he's in the pay of cart.
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Post by NigelMoore on May 2, 2019 21:13:11 GMT
. . . whether there is a statutory maximum beam for craft and if a boat owner whose vessel was wider than that limit which but could "just about" fit through locks was breaking a byelaw of some sort. Possibly not fit for navigation if it won't fit cleanly through the locks. There must be something preventing people from causing damage by attempting to force over beam vessels through locks using mechanical assistance such as chain blocks or tirfor type winches. There is a statutory obligation under the 1968 Act to maintain the main navigable channel of the relevant waterways to a) dimensions sufficient to allow passage of any craft that were recorded as having customarily used the particular waterway during the 9 months prior to 8 December 1967, or b) if the waterway or part has been restored or improved since that date, to dimensions such as make vessels suitable for use on that waterway or part thereof. There is no obligation to maintain or improve the waterways to accommodate vessels larger than those meeting the pre-1967 criteria, and the relevant dimensions recorded by BW relating to that 9 month period were listed within the Fraenkel Report in table 10.1. As relevant to the K&A these are - It would follow that in terms of obligations on boaters, no craft exceeding those statutorily defined dimensions should be brought onto those waterways; doing so would qualify as an offence under the byelaws, while damage caused to locks certainly does, whether because of too large a vessel or carelessness. 3. No person shall bring use or leave in any canal any vessel which is not in every respect fit for navigation on the canal or part thereof where it is intended to be used.
23. (1) The master of any vessel approaching, entering, passing through or by or leaving any lock or movable bridge shall cause his vessel to be navigated at such speed and controlled in such manner as not to strike, imperil, damage, obstruct or run foul of the lock or movable bridge or any part thereof of any other vessel approaching, entering, passing through or by or leaving the lock or movable bridge.
52. The master of any vessel using any canal shall be responsible for the safety and security of the vessel and its mooring and shall be answerable to the Board for any damage done by such vessel or by any person employed about the same to the canal, vessels, goods and property of the Board in or on any part of the canal;
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 21:33:10 GMT
Andrew have you read what's been posted in the thread? The boat has passed through the lock no problem before the remedial work undertaken recently. OK can you explain to me where in this thread prior to my post anyone said that as I am struggling to find it. Maybe I need glasses.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 21:40:25 GMT
Andrew have you read what's been posted in the thread? The boat has passed through the lock no problem before the remedial work undertaken recently. OK can you explain to me where in this thread prior to my post anyone said that as I am struggling to find it. Maybe I need glasses. You definitely need something, bfg stated previously the situation. You really need to concentrate before replying, or just stop being stupid.
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