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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 21:34:29 GMT
Which is why a PFD is better in that its less bulky and unobtrusive so you can wear it all day without feeling it is a pain in the arse. Most children can put one on by themselves. The ones that inflate are really meant for offshore use.
FYI, the highest percentage of fatalities occur in the dinghy going ashore. Honest.
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Post by TonyDunkley on May 11, 2019 7:50:47 GMT
I would be inclined to get another automatic lifejacket for yourself, Ross. PFD's - buoyancy vests - are OK if you're going to end up in the drink in company with at least one other person who can help you if you're groggy or unconscious, such as from a capsized two-man sailing dinghy. They will keep you afloat, but they won't turn you onto your back in the same way that an automatically inflating lifejacket will, . . which isn't much good to you if you fall in on your own and happen to knock yourself unconscious at the same time.
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Post by Jim on May 11, 2019 8:10:10 GMT
It appears you care more for your engine than your cook, second hand safety kit for your best beloved? Have you got her well insured?
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Post by Jim on May 11, 2019 9:26:53 GMT
Pirkko asked what's the yellow strap for - tying herself to the boat so that when it goes down she'll go down with it??!! We always wore our lifejackets when on my 5m fibreglass boat at sea, you remember this?: Might not be a bad idea to have another Crewsaver-lifevest thingy in case we have a visitor, or for me, anyway. Shall have to look up how to renew the gas bottles. If you buy cheap second hand kit they will need doing weekly. I have a few old cartridges around for sale if you want some second hand ones.
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Post by TonyDunkley on May 11, 2019 10:08:26 GMT
If you buy cheap second hand kit they will need doing weekly. I have a few old cartridges around for sale if you want some second hand ones. . . . And anyway, you can always blow them up yourself (or perhaps have them slightly inflated beforehand?) once you're in the water. You can't have them partially inflated without un-buttoning the outer cover, . . and then you'll just have the thing flopping about and being a pain in the arse to have on ! It's true that you can blow them up through the external air tube after you've fallen in, . . but not if you're either unconscious or hyperventilating because of cold shock !
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Post by Jim on May 11, 2019 10:09:26 GMT
If you buy cheap second hand kit they will need doing weekly. I have a few old cartridges around for sale if you want some second hand ones. Have made a note that you have some for sale. I will investigate this subject - totally new for me. Where does one normally buy cartridges from? And how do you replace them? Do they ever explode without reason? (car air bags do!!) And anyway, you can always blow them up yourself (or perhaps have them slightly inflated beforehand?) once you're in the water. Not intending to fall in the water at all, of course. Here's the second one I bought a few minutes ago: the old cartridges I have are slightly used, just the once. Is that one made in China? Like Chinese condoms they put a hole in every one, allegedly.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 16:34:33 GMT
I think its a good thing some of you are taking this stuff seriously. It may seem OTT to some but there may come a time...I very much hope not though.
However please bear in mind that the main reason for selling old safety gear is probably not because the former user is retiring from the sport / hobby...its because they want something they would trust their life to...it seems a tad daft to consider the safety aspect and then buy second-hand tat.
Also, I would like to re-iterate the point that if they are easy to put on and comfortable to wear you will be more likely to do so as a habit and not just for 'special occasions'.
Still, better some preparation than none.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 16:40:57 GMT
Have hatched a plan for our 'blacking week' which looks good. Post reported for racism.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 16:46:07 GMT
I think its a good thing some of you are taking this stuff seriously. It may seem OTT to some but there may come a time...I very much hope not though. However please bear in mind that the main reason for selling old safety gear is probably not because the former user is retiring from the sport / hobby...its because they want something they would trust their life to...it seems a tad daft to consider the safety aspect and then buy second-hand tat. Also, I would like to re-iterate the point that if they are easy to put on and comfortable to wear you will be more likely to do so as a habit and not just for 'special occasions'. Still, better some preparation than none. Agreed about the second hand stuff. As for falling in the water and drowning I just see that as an occupational hazard. If I fall in and drown so what that just means one less person about. I do make a conscious effort not to fall in and drown and yes there is the possibility of falling in and not drowning. Thats inland. At sea I would wear lead shoes.
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Post by JohnV on May 11, 2019 16:58:13 GMT
I don't wear a lifejacket all the time but I do when performing some action that exposes me to a bit more danger ..... climbing down a boarding ladder into a dinghy or climbing from one boat to another to get ashore or working on the fo'csle head (No rails there on Sabina) I often say to people that it is mainly to make it easier to find and recover the body. (I am under no illusions about my survival odds, falling into cold water at my age ) If I have been lucky enough to get out on one of my occasional jaunts on commercial craft then personal protection equipment is required, Hi vis, hard hat, lifejacket etc. (I draw the line at rigger boots, I have enough trouble climbing ladders and trotting along decks etc without tripping up, wearing shoes)
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 17:05:31 GMT
There's no law against it.
Once, when returning to my boat alone, I fell in the Thames at about 1.00am in January while tied up on the main channel when the river was in flood. There was no-one about. I was pissed as a fart and literally chose the wrong boat. I was not wearing any safety device. I lived. Fuck knows how though.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 17:36:18 GMT
Yes but its a lifejacket not a second hand windlass.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 17:39:34 GMT
Naughtyfox, I wish you well. I have bought many second-hand things off Ebay and had no problems.
Did you see that ad on telly about the guy in a parachute shop who buys the cheap one because it came with a free gift?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 18:05:34 GMT
I think you know the one about the boater who fell in the Thames because he was pissed as a fart Saving on some things means we can buy more logs and coal so we won't freeze to death in February. Yup, I deserve to be laughed at for that one. And I would also like to add that, with one exception, mishaps of all types from pratfalls to hospitalisations on inland waterways that I have heard of involved alcohol. The exception involved copious amounts of mary-jane, I heard. No-one I knew at the time had a life-jacket of any kind, and nobody hurt themselves while actually navigating. Also, I once lost my eyebrows when the bloody burner failed to light as planned and I chucked some diesel on to a now-warm stove. This also involved alcohol.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 18:26:48 GMT
I think you know the one about the boater who fell in the Thames because he was pissed as a fart Saving on some things means we can buy more logs and coal so we won't freeze to death in February. Yup, I deserve to be laughed at for that one. And I would also like to add that, with one exception, mishaps of all types from pratfalls to hospitalisations on inland waterways that I have heard of involved alcohol. The exception involved copious amounts of mary-jane, I heard. No-one I knew at the time had a life-jacket of any kind, and nobody hurt themselves while actually navigating. Also, I once lost my eyebrows when the bloody burner failed to light as planned and I chucked some diesel on to a now-warm stove. This also involved alcohol. I always wondered if statistics were recorded about the status of trouser flies when male bodies were hauled out of the water. I bet loads were open Moral: if you are hammered do not use a waterway as a convenient bladder emptying area. Its a bad idea. Piss in a hedge like Andyberg
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