|
Post by kris on May 5, 2019 8:55:38 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Jim on May 5, 2019 9:33:11 GMT
Had a quick shufty, "all boaters who need one should have an affordable permanent mooring" isn't a bad aim, with lecky points too, also a requirement to moor in a safe manner re fire risk. If there are any disagreements what are they and are there any alternative proposals, eg from the nbta. What does the IWA rep here think, come on naughtyfox, stop hiding in that corner.
|
|
|
Post by kris on May 5, 2019 9:45:33 GMT
I'd suggest you look in the appendixs'. 14 days per year in London then an overstay charge of £4 a day.. Quite a cheap mooring option for London I suppose. That's just for a start.
|
|
|
Post by JohnV on May 5, 2019 9:54:28 GMT
I have also only had a quickish first read through and There is a lot of food for thought there.
I have a feeling that some of the things they are proposing for CRT do, are beyond their legal remit (however that seems to be no problem for the current management/enforcement team) even though I think they could work.
I will give them credit for actually giving some thought to the problems and at least identifying some possible options.
I have a feeling though that some of the problems are now too great for very much to help. The problems of people wishing to be in London (why the hell anyone would wish to live there I don't understand) and the shortage of any sort of accommodation that isn't either totally disgusting or ruinously expensive are a paradox and not going to be solved by making it easier to live in boats there.
|
|
|
Post by JohnV on May 5, 2019 9:55:24 GMT
sorry hit wrong button was trying to edit
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 10:02:07 GMT
I'd suggest you look in the appendixs'. 14 days per year in London then an overstay charge of £4 a day.. Quite a cheap mooring option for London I suppose. That's just for a start. Cheap mooring anywhere in the country (£1400), even on the Nene I pay more than that, my mooring is £1600. At that rate you would get people deserting their moorings in droves. It would need to be set somewhere just about a south east mooring rate, say £12 a day (£4200) and even that is less than the mooring I had out on the GU. Seems a fairly sensible document to me.
|
|
|
Post by Mr Stabby on May 5, 2019 10:10:10 GMT
I'd suggest you look in the appendixs'. 14 days per year in London then an overstay charge of £4 a day.. Quite a cheap mooring option for London I suppose. That's just for a start. Cheap mooring anywhere in the country (£1400), even on the Nene I pay more than that, my mooring is £1600. At that rate you would get people deserting their moorings in droves. It would need to be set somewhere just about a south east mooring rate, say £12 a day (£4200) and even that is less than the mooring I had out on the GU. Seems a fairly sensible document to me. As I'm reading it the £4 per day isn't for a mooring, it's just for being in the charge zone, and the standard 14 day mooring rule would still apply.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 10:10:32 GMT
The IWA do have a lot of sensible suggestions.
It seems pretty obvious to at some stage start charging for mooring. Hardly rocket science considering a lot of boats are used as primary accommodation.
Something like £15 a day per boat might work.
|
|
|
Post by JohnV on May 5, 2019 10:12:01 GMT
I'd suggest you look in the appendixs'. 14 days per year in London then an overstay charge of £4 a day.. Quite a cheap mooring option for London I suppose. That's just for a start. Cheap mooring anywhere in the country (£1400), even on the Nene I pay more than that, my mooring is £1600. At that rate you would get people deserting their moorings in droves. It would need to be set somewhere just about a south east mooring rate, say £12 a day (£4200) and even that is less than the mooring I had out on the GU. Seems a fairly sensible document to me. I would agree totally .... that is how I treat a visitors CRT licence. It gives me the ability to moor alongside a bank, often on bollards or rings for 14 days at a time. With water and facilities available at frequent intervals and all of this much cheaper than anywhere else I can go !!! Coastal marinas in popular areas can charge anything up to £45 per night for a visiting boat the size of Sabina H
|
|
|
Post by kris on May 5, 2019 11:14:24 GMT
So only rich people are going to be allowed inside the m25 unless they are there to clean the toilets or clean the streets?
|
|
|
Post by naughtyfox on May 5, 2019 11:26:06 GMT
Had a quick shufty, "all boaters who need one should have an affordable permanent mooring" isn't a bad aim, with lecky points too, also a requirement to moor in a safe manner re fire risk. If there are any disagreements what are they and are there any alternative proposals, eg from the nbta. What does the IWA rep here think, come on naughtyfox , stop hiding in that corner. Sorry Jim, was out shopping*, and posting 2 Oyster cards to my daughter, they have money on them (£14 and £20); she's off to a wedding in London next weekend; she can return them to us by post, as we need them in early June for when we arrive at Heathrow. What does 'affordable' mean? I'm no IWA rep - we just donate in the hope that their volunteers get some choccy bics out of it to go with their tea. I should be interested in going to an IWA meeting sometime. Also, time to submit photos for the IWA photo competition - I have some suitable pics *long-distance cyclists arriving soon - from France to Nordkapp (Norway's northernmost bit) and back to France. Overnight with us. Sauna, showers, clothes in washing machine, bike servicing, something to eat & drink, etc. Bet they didn't expect all this snow!
|
|
|
Post by kris on May 5, 2019 11:29:59 GMT
I wonder if the IWA's concern over fire safety means they are going to stop having their festivals, all those boats squeezed together must be a fire hazard.
|
|
|
Post by naughtyfox on May 5, 2019 11:32:28 GMT
So only rich people are going to be allowed inside the m25 unless they are there to clean the toilets or clean the streets? Arabs have been buying up property in London and don't want poor infidels to darken their doorstep. London isn't an English city any more. Move along! "The shift in the balance of ownership is epitomised by the government of Qatar. In less than 10 years, the government of this tiny country, which is roughly the same size as Yorkshire with a population of just 2.5 million people, has bought into some of London’s most iconic schemes including those on the 22.2m sq ft Canary Wharf Group estate, which it now co-owns with Brookfield. That alone makes it one of the biggest landlords in London, without even counting the other 1.8m sq ft it owns elsewhere in the capital. And there are plenty of lesser-known investors - domestic and international - that have also heard London calling, reveals Datscha’s ranking of the capital’s biggest 100 commercial landlords by square footage owned." www.propertyweek.com/data/who-owns-london/5088280.article
|
|
|
Post by naughtyfox on May 5, 2019 11:33:14 GMT
I wonder if the IWA's concern over fire safety means they are going to stop having their festivals, all those boats squeezed together must be a fire hazard. It doesn't take long to send them an e-mail and ask them this.
|
|
|
Post by JohnV on May 5, 2019 11:34:12 GMT
So only rich people are going to be allowed inside the m25 unless they are there to clean the toilets or clean the streets? Kris, it may have escaped your notice, but certain places in the country are much more expensive to live in than others. Why do you think living on a boat should be different ? If you wish to live cheaply then you seek out an area that is cheap to live in. It's quite simple really. This is one of the reasons I am in the East Riding and not in Chelsea. We both know that most of the problem in London is lack of cheap housing. A large number of people on boats are not there as a first choice of where and how to live, for some it may become a chosen way of life but the majority only do it because they have no other option. I have always been convinced that if there were no people available to do the humdrum and menial jobs in cities because there was nowhere for them to live then those that employ them or demand those services might then move themselves and their companies out of the city. That of course would solve the problem. This is something on the lines I was arguing about many years ago. Solving overcrowding, by making more room is attempting to control something by positive feedback ..... always a bloody disaster You have to provide an alternative solution i.e. affordable housing and a negative pressure i.e. higher costs or stronger enforcement of moving/distance to discourage the status quo. Make it so that it is harder work and therefore off putting to those who only want accommodation.
|
|