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Post by Trina on May 8, 2019 10:39:55 GMT
I reckon that most of what I buy to eat is British.I also doubt that the majority of European suppliers will be happy to lose such good custom from our country.
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Post by JohnV on May 8, 2019 11:17:26 GMT
Given the propensity of the French public to react vigorously when displeased, I can just imagine the reaction of French farmer if they couldn't send their produce over the channel
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Post by bodger on May 8, 2019 11:56:46 GMT
really good for the carbon footprint innit? You sort of missed the point which was that we will not starve when we leave the EU because the rest of the world has plenty of food that they are happy to provide us with so quashing theories that our shelves will be bare Phil no I didn't miss the point. I'm making the point that the alternative to getting fresh produce delivered from Europe by road is that we get fresh produce delivered by air from all over the world, which will increase the carbon footprint such that, if it became an international norm for all countries to do so, our species (and most of the other flora and fauna on this planet) would soon perish. I recall 25 years ago talking to a flower seller in New Delhi who told me that he sent flowers daily to the flower market in Rotterdam by air. Ridiculous !!
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Post by JohnV on May 8, 2019 12:21:13 GMT
The annoying thing is that there are answers out there for all of these problems. There is too much invested interest in continuing with the old ways' there are too many fat cats making too much money out of the old ways.
Yes air transport is very fuel inefficient .... compared to road .... which is very inefficient compared to rail .... which is very inefficient compared to waterborne transport.
however air transport is much more fuel efficient if you use a PLIMP (approximately 10% of an aircraft and less than a truck)
sea transport is still more efficient than anything at about 15% of a truck ( if you use modern Flettner rotor/sail/power hybrid systems it drops greatly from that)
this is always the problem ..... the wheels have to fall off the wagon before anyone will even talk about using bearings.
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Post by phil70 on May 8, 2019 14:07:27 GMT
You sort of missed the point which was that we will not starve when we leave the EU because the rest of the world has plenty of food that they are happy to provide us with so quashing theories that our shelves will be bare Phil no I didn't miss the point. I'm making the point that the alternative to getting fresh produce delivered from Europe by road is that we get fresh produce delivered by air from all over the world, which will increase the carbon footprint such that, if it became an international norm for all countries to do so, our species (and most of the other flora and fauna on this planet) would soon perish.ย I recall 25 years ago talking to a flower seller in New Delhi who told me that he sent flowers daily to the flower market in Rotterdam by air.ย Ridiculous !! So really what we have here are two separate issues. 1/ Carbon footprint which I totally agree with you. 2/Filling our supermarket shelves . The former we agree on, the latter well it's a hard one to call. Should we ban New World wine from our shops for instance? Where do we draw the line? I don't know the answer Phil
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Post by JohnV on May 8, 2019 14:19:05 GMT
You sort of missed the point which was that we will not starve when we leave the EU because the rest of the world has plenty of food that they are happy to provide us with so quashing theories that our shelves will be bare Phil no I didn't miss the point. the carbon footprint for transporting a bottle of Argentinian wine to Southampton by sea is about a third of that of a bottle of Sicilian wine transported by road to Southampton
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Post by naughtyfox on May 8, 2019 15:12:57 GMT
no I didn't miss the point. I'm making the point that the alternative to getting fresh produce delivered from Europe by road is that we get fresh produce delivered by air from all over the world, which will increase the carbon footprint such that, if it became an international norm for all countries to do so, our species (and most of the other flora and fauna on this planet) would soon perish. I recall 25 years ago talking to a flower seller in New Delhi who told me that he sent flowers daily to the flower market in Rotterdam by air. Ridiculous !! Should we ban New World wine from our shops for instance? Yes, indeedy, the Australians and Chileans and Americans produce the most appalling horrible-tasting 'wine'. Get rid of it, say I. The French and South Africans and Germans have it nailed. Sorry, Spaniards and Italians, you have tried, but failed.
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Post by rockdodger on May 8, 2019 15:35:04 GMT
Should we ban New World wine from our shops for instance? Yes, indeedy, the Australians and Chileans and Americans produce the most appalling horrible-tasting 'wine'. Get rid of it, say I. The French and South Africans and Germans have it nailed. Sorry, Spaniards and Italians, you have tried, but failed. The nasty antipodian plonk๐คฎ which goes to UK is via sea which has a socially more acceptable carbon footprint, than the continential rubbish๐คข which is trucked in by el cheapo eastern european truck drivers, who are stealing decent UK truck drivers jobs๐ค......oh yeah and eating the swans when they arrive๐ฑ
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Post by naughtyfox on May 8, 2019 16:00:43 GMT
I don't even understand this 'carbon footprint'; I thought trees liked CO2? They breathe it in and produce wood for burning in boat stoves) and oxygen for our respiration. If you want to reduce the CO2 footprint, stop drinking Coke and Pepsi - you know those bubbles that get up your nose? Pure CO2. Evil stuff.
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Post by JohnV on May 8, 2019 16:18:37 GMT
Should we ban New World wine from our shops for instance? Yes, indeedy, the Australians and Chileans and Americans produce the most appalling horrible-tasting 'wine'. Get rid of it, say I. The French and South Africans and Germans have it nailed. Sorry, Spaniards and Italians, you have tried, but failed. Disagree. some Chilean Pinot Noir can be quite passable as can some Argentinian Malbec (but there is also a lot of rotgut) as for Australian .... Chateu Neuf de Wogga Wogga is definitely a wine for laying down ...and avoiding or .... the Hobart Muddy with a bouquet like an Aborigine's armpit (In fairness I have had a some decent reds and whites from Oz) However New Zealand wine can be very, very good as can S African Pinotage For fresh floral whites, English and the same for sparkling (including a couple of luscious rose fizz)
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Post by Trina on May 8, 2019 17:57:37 GMT
We've got some Lyme Bay English dry white from Aldi-ยฃ9.99 a bottle & really very nice.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 18:04:30 GMT
We've got some Lyme Bay English dry white from Aldi-ยฃ9.99 a bottle & really very nice. Equally nice white wines from Aldi but from the EU and the New World are available for a lot less though. There are some things we are good at but I'm afraid producing competitively priced wines is not one of them.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 8, 2019 18:43:55 GMT
Well, we're not gonna starve but obviously gonna drink ourselves to death! Hic! I see Martin's changed his avatar - you'd think it would have been something more appropriate:
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 18:44:44 GMT
Well, we're not gonna starve but obviously gonna drink ourselves to death! Hic! I see Martin's changed his avatar - you'd think it would have been something more appropriate: Cretin.
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Post by Trina on May 8, 2019 18:54:50 GMT
We've got some Lyme Bay English dry white from Aldi-ยฃ9.99 a bottle & really very nice. Equally nice white wines from Aldi but from the EU and the New World are available for a lot less though. There are some things we are good at but I'm afraid producing competitively priced wines is not one of them. I know๐,we buy all our wines from Aldi & Lidl- but sometimes it is nice to buy an English wine for less than ยฃ15/16. One red we quaff a lot is the Toro Loco from Aldi which is as cheap as chips.We also really like the NZ Sauvignon blancs & Sauvignon Gris(when you can get it).
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