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Post by JohnV on May 20, 2019 18:35:26 GMT
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Post by thebfg on May 20, 2019 18:52:21 GMT
Would that be an end for the likes of tall ships.
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Post by JohnV on May 20, 2019 19:15:43 GMT
I think it likely that it would be the end for a large part of an industry and the death knell for many historic vessels that nobody will be able to afford to keep going.
Some of the ramifications of this are only just beginning to come clear to me .... and the more that do, the more horrified I am.
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Post by TonyDunkley on May 20, 2019 20:38:03 GMT
I think it likely that it would be the end for a large part of an industry and the death knell for many historic vessels that nobody will be able to afford to keep going. Some of the ramifications of this are only just beginning to come clear to me .... and the more that do, the more horrified I am. Couldn't agree more, John, . . . and to me the most unforgivable aspect of this is that every one of this endless procession of new rules and regulations has it's origins in decisions and conclusions come to by people with no real life experience or knowledge of the vessels which will be affected.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 20, 2019 21:49:34 GMT
I think it likely that it would be the end for a large part of an industry and the death knell for many historic vessels that nobody will be able to afford to keep going. Some of the ramifications of this are only just beginning to come clear to me .... and the more that do, the more horrified I am. In a similar vein, I was told when I was in Blackpool recently that the reason (nearly) all of the historic trams had been replaced with the Flexity 2 fleet was that the old trams were unable to comply with recent legislation requiring all public transport to be wheelchair-accessible. I have no way of verifying if this is true but if it is then I'm thinking it would have been cheaper to give every disabled person in Blackpool free taxis for life along the entire route than to replace an entire tram fleet.
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Post by bargemast on May 21, 2019 6:58:03 GMT
I think it likely that it would be the end for a large part of an industry and the death knell for many historic vessels that nobody will be able to afford to keep going. Some of the ramifications of this are only just beginning to come clear to me .... and the more that do, the more horrified I am. Couldn't agree more, John, . . . and to me the most unforgivable aspect of this is that every one of this endless procession of new rules and regulations has it's origins in decisions and conclusions come to by people with no real life experience or knowledge of the vessels which will be affected. That is one of the biggest problems we seem to have in all these new- and stupid laws. They're invented by burocrats that possibly have never been on a boat in their lives, and know even less than nothing about them, but that can make these new laws only because of their position, a position they love to abuse to punish many completely innocent people, and in this case barge operators. If there would be a long list of statistics that show how dangerous these older boats are, and there constant accidents and sinkings, then it would be justified, but these statistics don't exist. One of the safest ships ever built that only very few people have heard of "RMS TITANIC" which was supposed unsinkable, did sink anyway, only because of human failure, it's always easier to put the blame on the ship, as because of not having a voice, the ship can't defend itself. It's really very sad, but I'm sure that this isn't finished, I'm sure that many more absolutely stupid and useless rules will follow. Peter.
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Post by bodger on May 21, 2019 7:07:44 GMT
is there legislation in process to install handrail fences along the entire length of the towpath of all canals, or alternatively drain them, so drunken assholes don't fall in and drown ?
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Post by bargemast on May 21, 2019 7:20:51 GMT
is there legislation in process to install handrail fences along the entire length of the towpath of all canals, or alternatively drain them, so drunken assholes don't fall in and drown ? The real solution would be to fill them in, to stop the possibility of people hurting themselfs when they fall in an empty canal, shopping trolley's can do damage if you happen to fall on them. Handrails are an invitation for people that are pissed (and for others too) to clime over them, one of these days, probably in the very near future (tomorrow ?) they'll discover that living is too dangerous, I wonder with what sort of solution they'll come up with. Peter.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 7:24:28 GMT
Similar thing has happened to the beautiful Thames umpire launches like this example, which have graced the River for decades. "The owners are sad to see her go but the new rules dictate that only a private owner can use her anywhere on the Thames, thus she cannot stay in their fleet, however charter opportunities are available allowing the cost of ownership to have tremendous benefits on Non tidal waterways." Why are they all of a sudden dangerous when they have been safe before ?? www.tingdeneboatsales.net/boat-spec?BoatID=6981344Another one www.tingdeneboatsales.net/boat-spec?BoatID=6981353"Although she is still serving them well, due to a change in the commercial regulations, for the requirements of diesel power, Panache is on the market and ideally suited to a private family or non tidal commercial organisation for regatta following launch , private family or commercial day trip use." Another www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/Inland-Cruisers-for-sale/classic-craft-umpires-launch/252458www.timeandtideboats.com/thelmadetailWhat is going to happen to these wonderful craft if nobody buys them If they can't earn their keep (they are wooden boats) there will be problems unless some of the mega rich suddenly find them appealing as investments. £20k isn't much but upkeep would be or paying for controlled dry storage...
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Post by naughtyfox on May 21, 2019 8:32:42 GMT
The thing to do is attack the people who make these new rules up - or ask them to pay for the changes. That is, if the rules are silly.
As for carbon monoxide alarms, I looked at one on Sunday in a shop - it said 'good for 5 years' - date of manufacture last year (May 2018), so that's already a year off! And you can guess where it's made - Chinese Republic of Torturing Anyone Anti-Government. A CO alarm should be good for roughly 7 years from new - question is, where to find new ones fresh off the production line. Eh?
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Post by Jim on May 21, 2019 8:45:43 GMT
I'm glad you see that people should pay for the changes they want. Now about this Brexit business, oh and Scunthorpe steelworks, I'll bet quitlings are rejoicing that their evil plan is succeeding.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 21, 2019 8:50:13 GMT
I'm glad you see that people should pay for the changes they want. Now about this Brexit business, oh and Scunthorpe steelworks, I'll bet quitlings are rejoicing that their evil plan is succeeding. Can't really see what Brexit has to do with this Jim?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 9:31:42 GMT
I thought there had been an informal agreement not to use the C word in any context.
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Post by Jim on May 21, 2019 11:01:20 GMT
I'm glad you see that people should pay for the changes they want. Now about this Brexit business, oh and Scunthorpe steelworks, I'll bet quitlings are rejoicing that their evil plan is succeeding. Can't really see what Brexit has to do with this Jim? The thing to do is attack the people who make these new rules up - or ask them to pay for the changes. That is, if the rules are silly. As for carbon monoxide alarms, I looked at one on Sunday in a shop - it said 'good for 5 years' - date of manufacture last year (May 2018), so that's already a year off! And you can guess where it's made - Chinese Republic of Torturing Anyone Anti-Government. A CO alarm should be good for roughly 7 years from new - question is, where to find new ones fresh off the production line. Eh?
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Post by Jim on May 21, 2019 11:02:00 GMT
I thought there had been an informal agreement not to use the C word in any context. Well, it's not far from Penistone....
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