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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 16:41:01 GMT
Any deal so far would appear to leave us closely tied to the EU for many years to come, and restricted from arranging trade deals with the rest of the world. To simply leave on WTO rules, would leave us free to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the World ... AND THE EU. It is inconceivable that having left on a clean break, the EU would not wish to discuss trade as we remain a substantial customer. The dealing SHOULD have been done AFTER we have left. But that's just one opinion ... and I was a remainer Rog
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Post by naughtyfox on May 23, 2019 16:48:17 GMT
This is a load of shit. (said Welly) - (quote box malfunction) Where did Romania and Slovenia and East Germany get their fancy new trains from? And now Romania and Slovenia are held prisoners by their debt. Travel around Europe and see the signs "Roadworks funded by the EU" - err, yes, nice new roads - why didn't those countries have nice roads before they joined the EU - where has that jackpot suddenly come from?
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Post by naughtyfox on May 23, 2019 16:51:33 GMT
That we'll never use. It's just posturing. Posturing or not, there's nothing to stop another country invaded you if you haven't got them. No-one who has them is ever going to let them go.
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Post by peterboat on May 23, 2019 16:53:10 GMT
Is that the same clown that will have the biggest number of votes after todays vote? and will then have a well paid job because bigger clowns [labour party] made any deal impossible to get through parliament and because of that we will have a WTO brexit ................Perfik So what does a no deal/WTO brexit actually mean? I personally don't know. What are the benefits and pitfalls of a no deal brexit? Can you explain? Other than obviously the increase in tariffs as trading within the EU currently has a low tariff on average of about 1.5%.
There's obviously going to be plenty of benefits because leavers seem to be right behind a no deal brexit. So what are these benefits going to be?
I guess we'll be able to set up our own trade deals with the USA. Trump will be more than happy to make a great, favourable deal with us, I have no doubt.
ps. this is probably coming across as a bit more snide than I wanted it to, but genuinely I'm interested in why we shouldn't fear a WTO brexit.
One easy example we used to buy oranges from whoever was cheapest, but to protect the Spanish orange industry, a Tariff was put on oranges imported from countries not in the EU, this is not fair to us or the African countries selling us those oranges. Now that is a minor thing but it happens on many things we purchase or sell ie Pork, we exported this to Russia after the EU put an embargo on selling Pork to Russia our farmers suffered! Which brings me to our pork is mostly free range, but because of the EU it has to be called outdoor reared, why? because Pigs need shelter from cold or sun so Pig huts are put in fields, because our laws say they have to, therefore the value of our Pork is put on par with countries that have pig sheds with literally half a million pigs in them, that are let out once in a blue moon to see the sun [if they are lucky] We are a great nation that has achieved much yet in everything we do we have ask is it ok, to a bunch of unelected law makers in Brussels and Strasbourg! wht to parliament costing us millions? so as not to upset the French! What a shower of shit we have ruining our lives, the quicker we leave the better, its not all about trade its about choice
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Post by naughtyfox on May 23, 2019 16:55:50 GMT
"British Steel collapse: 25,000 jobs at risk as assets liquidated" I haven't read about this, just seen the headlines, but thought this was something to do with the EU's demands for paying for a 'carbon footprint' (payments for fantasy - but the money does go into someone's pocket!). How about the EU go and give China a lecture on Greenhouse Gases?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 17:15:10 GMT
Some people still don’t understand the difference between having a common market and control freakery do they?
Even if you put my paranoid notion of control freakery to one side for a moment, this country is still in a much better position to be able to trade freely with the rest of the world anyway.
The EU is an utter joke, even more so than the Eurovision song contest (and costing us a lot more as a nation).
Steel industry. Yes, we need a steel industry. Stop pumping money into the EU and start supporting our own workers.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 23, 2019 17:19:21 GMT
So what does a no deal/WTO brexit actually mean? I personally don't know. What are the benefits and pitfalls of a no deal brexit? Can you explain? Other than obviously the increase in tariffs as trading within the EU currently has a low tariff on average of about 1.5%.
There's obviously going to be plenty of benefits because leavers seem to be right behind a no deal brexit. So what are these benefits going to be?
I guess we'll be able to set up our own trade deals with the USA. Trump will be more than happy to make a great, favourable deal with us, I have no doubt.
ps. this is probably coming across as a bit more snide than I wanted it to, but genuinely I'm interested in why we shouldn't fear a WTO brexit.
We are a great nation that has achieved much yet in everything we do we have ask is it ok, to a bunch of unelected law makers in Brussels and Strasbourg! so as not to upset the French! What a shower of shit we have ruining our lives, the quicker we leave the better, its not all about trade its about choice.
Well said, Peter. However, I will concede that Welly is no fool (OK, he was confused by the lock at Sykehouse) and that it would do no harm to sit at a table with him and listen to his views and opinions. Probably it boils down to this, that we all have our individual histories and upbringings and experiences and we have formed our own outlooks as to how things should be. Whenever I ask "How do you think Britain should be?" I am met with blank stares and no replies. I have my vision of how I would like to see the UK continue into the future - but few are listening, most are grubbing for more money for themselves.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 17:38:46 GMT
We are a great nation that has achieved much yet in everything we do we have ask is it ok, to a bunch of unelected law makers in Brussels and Strasbourg! so as not to upset the French! What a shower of shit we have ruining our lives, the quicker we leave the better, its not all about trade its about choice.
Well said, Peter. However, I will concede that Welly is no fool (OK, he was confused by the lock at Sykehouse) and that it would do no harm to sit at a table with him and listen to his views and opinions. Probably it boils down to this, that we all have our individual histories and upbringings and experiences and we have formed our own outlooks as to how things should be. Whenever I ask "How do you think Britain should be?" I am met with blank stares and no replies. I have my vision of how I would like to see the UK continue into the future - but few are listening, most are grubbing for more money for themselves. That’s actually a valid point. We’ve lost our identity. London has been taken over by foreign investors who have no interest in our customs or culture. Money is still the only measure of success. Basically there is an optimum size to everything. The concept of a global village is wrong. The world needs different cultures to make it interesting otherwise we all up being clones of eachother (controlled by individuals who aren’t accountable to us sheep and well outside our reach.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 23, 2019 17:50:14 GMT
I like the idea of countries/nations being separate - that's real 'diversity'. And I applaud the idea of travelling and getting to know other cultures. The world should learn to live together - the Carl Sagan 'Pale Blue Dot' video shows how silly it is to be fighting for "a fraction of a dot". We are alone in Space, and there is no-one to rescue us.
However, survival of 'the fittest gene' is dependent on a certain amount of killing and conquering and a constant struggle to rise to the top and be the best. If humans got too luvvy-duvvy they would stagnate and become less resistant to being taken over by other species/viruses/bacteria, etc. Nature has no mercy and does not recognise humans, it cares not a jot for them. An engine that is never used goes rusty. No one wants to be eaten alive, but if sharks didn't do it, we wouldn't be afraid of them.
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