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Post by bodger on Jun 9, 2019 14:50:04 GMT
I continually hear that people who use drugs suffer all sorts of problems, but their cumulative misery is nothing compared to the suffering of many resulting from the illegal drugs trade.
I have minimal sympathy for someone suffering from a self-imposed habit, and huge sympathy for anyone mugged or burgled just so some scrote can feed his habit, and huge sympathy for teenagers living on a sink estate who are caught up in drug-driven gang warfare and stabbings because that is the only culture they know about.
It also seems obvious that without dealers (pushers) on the streets, fewer people would start on drugs, and many fewer would graduate from the soft stuff to hard stuff.
The whole industry should be legalised, licensed and controlled. It is hard to believe that more people would use hard drugs in such a situation than do currently.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 15:03:30 GMT
Like I said in my OP it it is bent system. It seems enormously probable that people with sensible amounts of money let's say dozens of millions will in some way be benefiting from it being illegal. Not directly and probably not traceable but it will be paying.
If not then it would be legal because that is the logical outcome.
It would be funny if it wasn't sad.
It's nothing like guns you can kill dozens with a gun (or a cricket bat obviously) but despite the expression "shooting up" its not a mass killing by one person thing.
Big business though.
The other possibility is that anyone promoting legalisation knows they will be wearing concrete boots if they push it too far. Everyone is running scared.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 15:38:59 GMT
A individual in drug-addicted misery is one thing; a drug-addicted criminal who inflicts misery on others is quite another.
So lets make drugs legal and available from any NHS clinic.
Scenario 1: Only those who demonstrate they have an addiction will be serviced. This sets up a secondary supply through those with access to those without, thus preserving the criminal network.
Scenario 2: Anybody who asks can have access, no questions asked. The level of addicted individuals drops? Or maybe it stays the same?
Still, alcohol is legal and not everybody feels the need to drink to excess, or even at all. And heroin is just the same, you can just have one, right?
Either way the NHS becomes a mechanism which services and treats addiction.
Benefits of the new system:
The demand for retirement homes will fall. The debate over euthanasia will stop. The loss of jobs from the final collapse of the manufacturing industry has less impact. There is less pressure on the NHS to provide pain-relief services.
Meanwhile, hardly anybody smokes fags anymore so thats good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 15:57:35 GMT
Either way the NHS becomes a mechanism which services and treats addiction. That won't happen. The supply side will go to legit businesses (often controlled by off shore companies owned by friends or relatives of MPs or their financial backers ). To ensure enough profits are made these companies will be the new 'pushers' with highly sophisticated marketing coupled with lobbying of MPs coupled with threats of mass redundancies if the Gov introduce too stringent regulation.
Only upside is that the Criminals will need to find a new way of making money - although you can bet it's not likely to be via a legit source.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 22:14:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 22:30:12 GMT
I continually hear that people who use drugs suffer all sorts of problems, but their cumulative misery is nothing compared to the suffering of many resulting from the illegal drugs trade. I have minimal sympathy for someone suffering from a self-imposed habit, and huge sympathy for anyone mugged or burgled just so some scrote can feed his habit, and huge sympathy for teenagers living on a sink estate who are caught up in drug-driven gang warfare and stabbings because that is the only culture they know about. It also seems obvious that without dealers (pushers) on the streets, fewer people would start on drugs, and many fewer would graduate from the soft stuff to hard stuff. The whole industry should be legalised, licensed and controlled. It is hard to believe that more people would use hard drugs in such a situation than do currently. One night I stopped to get a pizza on the way home. I was immediately approached by a young girl, maybe seventeen, quite pretty, who asked me if I wanted to pay her for sex. There was a surprising look of genuine pleasure on her face when I declined. Maybe it was the look of pity on my face. She definitely wanted the money for drugs, and she more-than-likely knowingly became an addict. I can't begin to imagine how bad her very short life must have been. That was a couple of years ago, she's probably dead now. Do you think legally-available heroin would have stopped her becoming an addict? I don't.
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Post by bodger on Jun 11, 2019 7:31:37 GMT
I continually hear that people who use drugs suffer all sorts of problems, but their cumulative misery is nothing compared to the suffering of many resulting from the illegal drugs trade. I have minimal sympathy for someone suffering from a self-imposed habit, and huge sympathy for anyone mugged or burgled just so some scrote can feed his habit, and huge sympathy for teenagers living on a sink estate who are caught up in drug-driven gang warfare and stabbings because that is the only culture they know about. It also seems obvious that without dealers (pushers) on the streets, fewer people would start on drugs, and many fewer would graduate from the soft stuff to hard stuff. The whole industry should be legalised, licensed and controlled. It is hard to believe that more people would use hard drugs in such a situation than do currently. One night I stopped to get a pizza on the way home. I was immediately approached by a young girl, maybe seventeen, quite pretty, who asked me if I wanted to pay her for sex. There was a surprising look of genuine pleasure on her face when I declined. Maybe it was the look of pity on my face. She definitely wanted the money for drugs, and she more-than-likely knowingly became an addict. I can't begin to imagine how bad her very short life must have been. That was a couple of years ago, she's probably dead now. Do you think legally-available heroin would have stopped her becoming an addict? I don't. You don't know why she became an addict, so your question is too hypothetical to be considered seriously. However IMHO the issue is that with the drugs marketing department working on the streets, she was more likely to get involved in experimentation with drugs in the company of her peers. Legalising drugs would leave the street marketeers redundant and hopefully save many impressionable kids from starting the habit.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 11, 2019 7:38:32 GMT
I continually hear that people who use drugs suffer all sorts of problems, but their cumulative misery is nothing compared to the suffering of many resulting from the illegal drugs trade. I have minimal sympathy for someone suffering from a self-imposed habit, and huge sympathy for anyone mugged or burgled just so some scrote can feed his habit, and huge sympathy for teenagers living on a sink estate who are caught up in drug-driven gang warfare and stabbings because that is the only culture they know about. It also seems obvious that without dealers (pushers) on the streets, fewer people would start on drugs, and many fewer would graduate from the soft stuff to hard stuff. The whole industry should be legalised, licensed and controlled. It is hard to believe that more people would use hard drugs in such a situation than do currently. One night I stopped to get a pizza on the way home. I was immediately approached by a young girl, maybe seventeen, quite pretty, who asked me if I wanted to pay her for sex. There was a surprising look of genuine pleasure on her face when I declined. Maybe it was the look of pity on my face. She definitely wanted the money for drugs, and she more-than-likely knowingly became an addict. I can't begin to imagine how bad her very short life must have been. That was a couple of years ago, she's probably dead now. Do you think legally-available heroin would have stopped her becoming an addict? I don't. It would have stopped her needing to offer her body to strangers to obtain it.
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Post by Jim on Jun 11, 2019 9:23:00 GMT
Where drugs have been legalised rates of crime and violence have fallen, go google, there is quite a bit of evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 13:45:22 GMT
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Post by bodger on Jun 11, 2019 14:21:35 GMT
all those polly-tishuns are going around with their fingers in their ears singing 'ladadidada'. bunch of tossas.
time for a supremo president-dictator for a year or two to sort out the really important issues, rather than just bleating on about brexit (which keeps them all busy and, they believe, justifies their salaries and expenses).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 18:54:15 GMT
Bodger: It doesn't matter to me WHY she became an addict. I don't know how you can be so casually dismissive.
Stabby: Excellent point, although I am still leaning towards sitting on them until the withdrawal symptoms have passed.
Anyway, I'm going to stop commenting on this thread, and do some research on the 'lets give them all the smack they want' model. This does not alter my desire to visit some medieval shit on the dealers.
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Post by bodger on Jun 12, 2019 7:21:45 GMT
Bodger: It doesn't matter to me WHY she became an addict. I don't know how you can be so casually dismissive. perhaps if you re-read your post carefully you may come to the conclusion that the question really needs to be asked, and it seems you left the question unstated but still hanging there; otherwise the post is pretty pointless.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 12, 2019 7:35:45 GMT
Last night driving along a busy M6 around 10pm I said to Pirkko it looks as if petrol is a drug worse than heroin. Unbelievable how many cars & lorries on the move - how many daft housewives have ordered shoes from Zalando, found out they didn't like them and are sending them back?! How come so much traffic at that time of night? Britain is most definitely overpopulated, and no-one is really interested in saving oil for future generations, let's be honest. Not from what we see, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 8:47:38 GMT
.... I have minimal sympathy for someone suffering from a self-imposed habit, A lot of people who become addicted do so as a way out of misery (so they think so at the time) - if more effort was spent trying to stop them getting into the 'misery' or helping them find better ways of coping then I think the world would be better... rather than just saying you made your choice now suffer the consequences.
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